Thank you Doubter for input, I too believe that the cattle market is seasonal, and that the big boys have a lot of push. I have been feeding cattke for 25 years, I think that I should be able to use this to my advantage.Jester I think that I should get that prod, and use it on myself when I break my rules, obviously losing money is not painful enough. Buff, I have not figured out any purpose of a camel in my trading. Thank you Zbear, I know the answer comes from within.