List of great muslim/arab inventions or discoveries

[destroyer]

Quote from a_person:

You're one funny eurodude:

[insert another huge load of fresh shit drawn straight out of your ass]

Have I missed anything?

Yeah, you seem to have missed almost everything I've written. Try again from the top.

This is not my first debate with someone like you; these techniques you're trying to use by twisting and turning everything I say and trying to get me pissed off, lose my head and go all irrational on you is not going to work.

If you're not interested in having a civil, honest debate with me, just leave it.

 

[destroyer]

Oh, and once more for the record:

you try to show Muslim contributions to humanity and fail to find a single example of these contributions in the last 800 years.

In my very first post in this thread, i pasted the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Islamic_world
I specifically pointed out to you that the latest inventions were from at least the 17th century. Since you keep repeating this 800-years mantra of yours, you clearly never even looked at the link. let me point out some of the later inventions for you:

Ibn Firnas' hang glider was the first to have artificial wings, though the flight was eventually unsuccessful. According to Evliya Çelebi in the 17th century, Hezarfen Ahmet Celebi was the first aviator to have made a successful flight with artificial wings between 1630-1632.[28]

in the 17th century, Lagari Hasan Çelebi launched himself in the air in a seven-winged rocket, which was composed of a large cage with a conical top filled with gunpowder.

# Cartographic Qibla instruments, which were brass instruments with Mecca-centred world maps and cartographic grids engraved on them in the 17th century.[74]
# Cartographic Qibla instrument with a sundial and compass attached to it,[141] by Muhammad Husayn in the 17th century.[142]

There are some newer ones in this link too, which you would have been familiar with if you had read the article:

The medical procedure of inoculation in the medieval Muslim world, later followed by the first smallpox vaccine in the form of cowpox, invented in Turkey in the early 18th century.

For more information about later contributions from the islamic world, you can read David A. King, "Reflections on some new studies on applied science in Islamic societies (8th-19th centuries)", Islam & Science, June 2004.

To sum it up, your mantra should be something more like "the islamic world have not contributed anything for a 100 years". Although this is not entirely correct either, considering the fact that a whole lot of scholars from the arab world have been quite active in many fields and areas the last couple of hundred years as well. Not as active as europeans and americans obviously, but active nevertheless.

Actually, I would advice you to skip the whole mantra ..it's not really that cool to begin with.

 

[maxpi]

Quote from destroyer:

No it's not, and I've told you this, if you didn't believe me you should have made it clear. The specific reason for the attack on WTC is according to himself this:


http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/1964.cfm

You should read the rest of the transcript as well, although I've highlighted some of the most relevant points in this particular issue.

Also if you read some history of that time, you will see that he is not exactly lying. A whole lot of humans did lose their lives and the US not only allowed it, they participated from time to time (Gulf war I, etc). Do you know how it feels like to have a child teared apart by bombs? Do you know how it feels like to drag half the bloody body of your son out of the ruins of your own house? Do you know how it feels like to hold a baby with it's head blown off? A whole lot of arabs do, and some of them simply snaps and decides to dedicate their lives to fight the evil that caused it, while others remains calm and tries to start new lives. You take away islam from the region, and I assure you the reactions to these experiences would be pretty much the same.

THIS is what drives the terrorist mind. Not the hatred of freedom, not fear of democracy, not anti-semitism, not hate of western culture like Bush and McCain have been saying so many times most americans actually believe it. It is the perception that the US government hates islam and arabs and enjoys oppressing, slaughtering and killing them all that makes the terrorists tick.

What we're discussing here is why the terrorists are doing what they're doing, so whether the motives of america was good or bad while the killing was taking place is not relevant.

Tell me, if your neighbor is angry with you because he thinks you're fucking his wive, how can you prevent him from attacking you by fucking his wive even harder? This is what your government is doing.

Recently, I've been learning about polygamy from the Mormon krap here in the US, these polygamists get rid of the young guys so they can have all the women... I had a friend tell me that a year ago, he lived in Utah and he says they just dump them for any excuse at all... they hitchike down to Nevada and find jobs in construction a lot he said, then the polygamy thing in Texas confirmed that 100%, they got rid of the boys there in droves... anyhow, I'm realizing that is what is driving Jihad and suicide bombers, they are throwaways with no chance of having a family life... so the Mullas sucker them into killing themselves for a trumped up noble cause... it's not like they can get a girlfriend and settle down...

 

[a_person]

Quote from destroyer:

Oh, and once more for the record: In my very first post in this thread, i pasted the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Islamic_world

It's a well known and undisputed fact that the Islamic golden age ended about 800-1000 years ago. That you can come up with 2-5 inventions of more than mediocre significance that the entire muslim world managed to produce during the following 800 years does not change the fact that their contribution to humanity has been non-existent. Especially given the fact that the western civilization was producing probably 100 inventions every single day during the same period of time.

Let alone the fact that the article's accuracy is in dispute and for a very good reason:

There are no other contemporary references to the events written of by Evliyâ Çelebi. No record of Sultan Murad's grant or banishment indicated in Evliyâ Çelebi's account have been produced or are sited.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezarfen_Ahmet_Celebi

 

[Gringinho]

a_person,
I wonder if you are at all capable or equipped with the emotional intelligence for grasping the sentiment and meaning behind something like

Rammstein - Amerika
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w9EksAo5hY

lyrics
http://herzeleid.com/en/lyrics/reise_reise/amerika


Arab inventions in the area of mechanics and hydraulics in particular have been really beneficial to all modern industrialization.

 

[a_person]

Quote from destroyer:

Yeah, you seem to have missed almost everything I've written.

Actually I have not. Your long, boring and baseless rants were completely without substance, you failed to back up a single accusation you made, your basic point was that Osama Bin Laden representing the arab people does not like our policies in the middle east and therefore our policies should change regardless of how legal and legitimate they might be. There is absolutely no other way to interpret your diatribes.

I am not interested in responding to your anti-Israel rant either. Having lost every single point and having failed to support every absurd claim you made it's quite obvious that you are trying to introduce as many red herrings as you can. Good luck with that, a pretty typical approach of an american hating terrorist sympathizer, when a debate is lost start bashing Israel, Bush and the war in Iraq regardless of whether it has anything to do with the debate.

 

[a_person]

Quote from Gringinho:

I wonder if you are at all capable or equipped with the emotional intelligence for grasping the sentiment and meaning behind something like

Emotional Intelligence (EI), often measured as an Emotional Intelligence Quotient (EQ), describes an ability, capacity, or skill to perceive, assess, and manage the emotions of one's self, of others,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence

So in answer to your question - I understand that you people are very emotional, I understand that your primary emotions are jealousy, anger and inferiority complex. It's your intelligence that is in dispute though.

This thread is a good example - having accused the US of 99% of the killing and gross violations of international laws in the middle east, the emotional person who did it had neither enough intelligence to support his claims nor enough intellectual honesty to apologize for smearing the entire country. All he was capable of doing was posting one emotional rant about body parts, the war in Iraq and Israel after another.

 

[a_person]

Quote from Gringinho:

I wonder if you are at all capable or equipped with the emotional intelligence for grasping the sentiment and meaning behind something like

Emotional Intelligence (EI), often measured as an Emotional Intelligence Quotient (EQ), describes an ability, capacity, or skill to perceive, assess, and manage the emotions of one's self, of others,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence

So in answer to your question - I understand that you people are very emotional, I understand that your primary emotions are jealousy, anger, inferiority complex, the feeling of impotence and irrelevancy. I understand that bashing Amerika while drinking Coca Cola is your favorite past time. In other words I do recognize your emotions, it's your intelligence that is in dispute though.

This thread is a good example - having accused the US of 99% of the killing and gross violations of international laws in the middle east, the emotional person who did it had neither enough intelligence to support his claims nor enough intellectual honesty to apologize for smearing the entire country. All he was capable of doing was posting one emotional rant about body parts, the war in Iraq and Israel after another.

 

[John_Wensink]

It really just boils down to:

What have you done for me lately?

The answer is pretty much nothing and the world has passed them by and the arab/ muslim street is relatively insignifigant in every facet of life with the exception of terrorism.

 

[destroyer]

Quote from a_person:
It's a well known and undisputed fact that the Islamic golden age ended about 800-1000 years ago.

No it's not. "The Islamic Golden Age, also sometimes known as the Islamic Renaissance,[1] is traditionally dated from the 8th century to the 13th century,[2] though some have extended it to the 15th[3] or 16th[4] centuries." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

2008-16th century = 408 years
2008-13th century = 708 years

The well known and undisputed fact is that the islamic golden age ended between 400 and 700 years ago. The reason for this varying number is the fact that it's a little bit unclear whether one should include the ottoman empire as part of the arab/persian/african era, which it really is not. But in this particular matter, when we're talking about contributions in general by muslims, it's obviously relevant.

In other words, if you insist on using this phrase, you can not say that the muslims did not contribute anything for the past 800 years. The very best thing you can say without ridiculing yourself is "the middle eastern muslims have hardly contributed anything the past 700 years".

Quote from a_person:
Let alone the fact that the article's accuracy is in dispute and for a very good reason

Come on man, now you're getting desperate. Your claim was that muslims have made NO contributions, so finding one that holds it's ground is enough. Which I did.

But I get your point, the west have been contributing a whole lot more to the progression of humanity the past centuries. Nobody denies that. Trouble is, if you take islam out of the world history, the western renaissance, enlightenment and finally the industrial age might not have come for another few centuries:

"The achievements of the Arabic speaking peoples between the ninth and twelfth centuries are so great as to baffle our understanding. The decadence of Islam and of Arabic is almost as puzzling in its speed and completeness as their phenomenal rise. Scholars will forever try to explain it as they try to explain the decadence and fall of Rome. Such questions are exceedingly complex and it is impossible to answer them in a simple way."
— George Sarton , The Incubation of Western Culture in the Middle East' [206]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

Just to mention ONE out of the thousands of great contributions adopted by the west is: The first universities, namely institutions of higher education and research which issue academic degrees at all levels (bachelor, master and doctorate), were medieval Madrasahs known as Jami'ah founded in the 9th century.

That's a small part of the educational contributions. In addition, you have contributions in economy, law, literature, philosophy, vocabularity, technology, music, art, engineering, architecture, physics, mathematics, medicine, astronomy, etcetera. Every single aspect of your modern life is to a large extent influenced by the existence of islam. Seriously, read this link, don't just accept that it might be true without acknowledging it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe