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Most people should have their cholesterol monitored yearly in as part of a blood panel taken during a yearly general physical.
Intermittent fasting has helped some people who show up with a cholesterol problem.
Better nutrition and excersize may help.
Whatever changes in your life you make to combat high cholesterol, be sure to keep monitoring your progress.
There are some people for whom diet and exercize may not be enough, though I am not a fan of Lipitor unless all else fails.
I think there are people whose body naturally over produces cholesterol. But the question to be asked, so what?
If the person is obese and does not exercise or is a smoker/drinker, then it is a problem. If not, then as was discussed you have to dive into the make up of the cholesterol (HDL v. LDL) and then another level into particle size of LDL and HDL.
As I posted much earlier, now there is a specific protein that is being linked with coronary heart disease in the cholesterol and when they can test/scan for that and treat that directly without the side effects, then for HIGH RISK people, there is a better pill choice hopefully down the road.
If the person is obese and does not exercise or is a smoker/drinker, then it is a problem. If not, then as was discussed you have to dive into the make up of the cholesterol (HDL v. LDL) and then another level into particle size of LDL and HDL.
As I posted much earlier, now there is a specific protein that is being linked with coronary heart disease in the cholesterol and when they can test/scan for that and treat that directly without the side effects, then for HIGH RISK people, there is a better pill choice hopefully down the road.
I am skeptical about yearly cholesterol testing and I am not the only one. "Normal" LDL blood panels do die of cardiovascular disease. Cholesterol is implicated in disease, but it is not definitive. If you are concerned about it, get other tests: CIMT, CAC, and blood markers of inflammation.
Statin/LDL-Skeptical:
cardiologist:
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org
engineer
The Fat Emperor
#CAC and The Widowmaker Movie 2015:
#CAC and The Widowmaker Movie 2015 - teaser time...! #cardiovascular #LCHF - YouTube
Review: ‘The Widowmaker,’ a Heart Care Documentary - The New York Times
Statin/LDL-Skeptical:
cardiologist:
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org
engineer
The Fat Emperor
#CAC and The Widowmaker Movie 2015:
#CAC and The Widowmaker Movie 2015 - teaser time...! #cardiovascular #LCHF - YouTube
Review: ‘The Widowmaker,’ a Heart Care Documentary - The New York Times
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Thank you for all of the information!
I was aware of some of the dangers of information but never looked at things this way.
Thanks again.
I am an expert on cholesterol (on the interwebs) so if I may chime in with some of the less known facts:
1. Even according to that asshole Ancel Keys, dietary cholesterol has no bearing on serum cholesterol levels. In plain English, it almost doesn't matter what you eat.
2. Taking statins for post menopause women has no statistical advantage as concerning death rate. For them it is worthless to take statins.
3. High cholesterol is not a danger itself for cardiatic problems. Half of heart attack sufferers had normal cholesterol levels.
4. What are an established marker for future cardiatic problems: high Trygs AND high small sized LDL (usually not measured in normal blood test).
5. There are natural supplements that can help to lower you Trygs, like fish oil, garlic, hibiscus tea,etc.
6. Statin can be good for people with already existing cardiatic issues. But for the average people, I would take supplements first.
7. If you have to take statins, make sure you also take CoQ-10 coenzime, because statins deplete the heart of this important coenzime.
8. There exists a naturally occurring statin in Red Yeast Rice, although big pharma successfully fought to remove it from the shelves. If someone wants natural statin, with a little look around you can still find those that contain statin.
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"Now back to Keys. I’m mostly interested in clearing up the confusion about the Yerushalmy and Hilleboe paper and what it really showed about Keys’ cherry-picked graph, so I’m not going to tweeze through the rest of his work with the same Aspergers-esque detail. But I do want to address something interesting about Keys that many people aren’t aware of, which is…
Keys on dietary cholesterol: one thing he got right
Although Keys was staunch in his belief that saturated fat causes heart disease by raising blood cholesterol, he was one of the brave few who insisted that dietary cholesterol was pretty much irrelevant. Thanks to a slew of early animal experiments—such as Nikolai Anitschkow’s famous rabbits—that used dietary cholesterol to induce atherosclerotic lesions, implicating dietary cholesterol with heart disease was all the rage for a while. For a long while, actually, considering how many folks today still to dump their egg yolks down the drain.
But Ancel didn’t buy it. In his paper “Human atherosclerosis and the diet” (PDF), he writes that “from these animal experiments only, the most reasonable conclusion would be that the cholesterol content of human diets is unimportant in human atherosclerosis.”"
https://deniseminger.com/2011/12/22/the-truth-about-ancel-keys-weve-all-got-it-wrong/
1. Even according to that asshole Ancel Keys, dietary cholesterol has no bearing on serum cholesterol levels. In plain English, it almost doesn't matter what you eat.
2. Taking statins for post menopause women has no statistical advantage as concerning death rate. For them it is worthless to take statins.
3. High cholesterol is not a danger itself for cardiatic problems. Half of heart attack sufferers had normal cholesterol levels.
4. What are an established marker for future cardiatic problems: high Trygs AND high small sized LDL (usually not measured in normal blood test).
5. There are natural supplements that can help to lower you Trygs, like fish oil, garlic, hibiscus tea,etc.
6. Statin can be good for people with already existing cardiatic issues. But for the average people, I would take supplements first.
7. If you have to take statins, make sure you also take CoQ-10 coenzime, because statins deplete the heart of this important coenzime.
8. There exists a naturally occurring statin in Red Yeast Rice, although big pharma successfully fought to remove it from the shelves. If someone wants natural statin, with a little look around you can still find those that contain statin.
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"Now back to Keys. I’m mostly interested in clearing up the confusion about the Yerushalmy and Hilleboe paper and what it really showed about Keys’ cherry-picked graph, so I’m not going to tweeze through the rest of his work with the same Aspergers-esque detail. But I do want to address something interesting about Keys that many people aren’t aware of, which is…
Keys on dietary cholesterol: one thing he got right
Although Keys was staunch in his belief that saturated fat causes heart disease by raising blood cholesterol, he was one of the brave few who insisted that dietary cholesterol was pretty much irrelevant. Thanks to a slew of early animal experiments—such as Nikolai Anitschkow’s famous rabbits—that used dietary cholesterol to induce atherosclerotic lesions, implicating dietary cholesterol with heart disease was all the rage for a while. For a long while, actually, considering how many folks today still to dump their egg yolks down the drain.
But Ancel didn’t buy it. In his paper “Human atherosclerosis and the diet” (PDF), he writes that “from these animal experiments only, the most reasonable conclusion would be that the cholesterol content of human diets is unimportant in human atherosclerosis.”"
https://deniseminger.com/2011/12/22/the-truth-about-ancel-keys-weve-all-got-it-wrong/
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Cut out sugars and gluten and trys drop like a rock.
Why are you grouping gluten with sugar as culprits?
Meaning breads/pastas/cookies/cakes. Refined carbs and sugars are biggest tri raisers.
Sure, but there is gluten in unrefined carbs as well. Cakes and cookies are usually made with eggs. Are you going to rain on eggs, too? The gluten bigotry has gotten out of hand.
