Limiting One's Self

Quote from Flashboy:

I daytrade 1 contract and have it engrained in me somehow that once I reach over $100/day I have reached my "goal" per say. What do I do once I reach the $100?

1. I relax. Miss good trades because I'm chit chatting, taking a break, doing other things besides trying to make more money.

I can't help you here because I have a bad habit of a) taking a break or doing something else after a good trade, and b) getting protective of my profits when I hit +$500 and leaving behind some valid trade setups.

Quote from Flashboy:

2. Pass on good setups - I believe my past trading has involved so many days where I'd reach that $100 milestone and then wind up giving it back.. so fear of losing what I have keeps me from taking new trades.

You should ONLY be trading good setups. This is what provides an edge in trading. Why would you trade anything less than a good setup?

Something's missing in your comment about giving your profits back after reaching your milestone. What is your win rate when trading only your "good" setups?

Do your setups fail more often later in the day than early in the day?

Mine do. Early in the day, my setups work very nicely most of the time. Later in the day they often fail.

I implemented a rule early this year that I wouldn't trade after noon eastern time because of this. I now trade after that time, but not very frequently and I've learned to detect later-day traps in setups that work nicely in the morning.

Avoid midday low volume zones. You'll notice the volume that can move price reliably (key word, there) occurs before noon ET, sometimes around 1:30pm ET and between 3-4pm ET. The rest of the time, when price moves or consolidates on low volume, good setups fail or the range is so narrow you'll churn profits and make donations to your broker.

How many days a week can you reliably make $100? 3 or more? Or less than 3?

Are your losing days $100 or less?

If you can reliably make $100 a day 3 or more days a week with the other days' losses being $100 or less, then you should have no fear doing the exact same thing with 2 contracts. When you double your account, then size up again.

One more question: There are times when the market is very willing to give you a lot more than $100 on a trade. How do you handle that? As an example, let's say you shorted ES yesterday by placing a sell stop 1 tick below the 10:25am pivot low of 1116.25 and you have an initial target of 2 points. Once price takes you into that trade it's clear from the breakout momentum that the market is going to spit some extra money at you. How do you manage that situation? How many points would you have extracted from that trade and how? Using a very basic trade management tactic you should get nearly 10 points out of that trade. Do you take advantage of those situations or do you limit yourself?

I have a $50K trading account and when I was trading ES I traded 1-5 contracts. I now trade 1 contract CL, which I've been told is similar to 3 ES, and I'm close to meeting the criteria needed to size up.

Keep in mind that with your small account, a surprise news event could quickly wipe you out with more than 1 contract on.
 
Quote from Fireplace:

How much is in your account? I personally don't think it's worth trading the ES (to make real money) unless you have 50K (at a minimum) in the account.

That's just my personal opinion. I'm sure some do it well with far less.

Also, that's great that you have been improving. Baby steps will get you there. Keep working on being consistent and then the increasing size and/or taking more of your setups will come. Consistency first, everything else second.

:)

Flashboy,

Fireplace gave you a good advice. I say, even 50K is not enough. If you want to play, yes 1K is also enough to lose it.
I have been trading 16 years.
 
I'm in your boat, low capital trading futures. It is very difficult with such little risk capital.

My advice, is to WAIT. Wait for news, wait for the easy days.

For instance, the jobs report on Friday. If you were short, you made easy $$$.

It will take time, but eventually, if you keep trading the easier days, you will have more capital, meaning you can take the risks you currently can not.

As far as profit objectives, you should have a plan.

Look on your chart for resistance or support levels.

On Friday after jobs, the news was bad enough to push it past resistance level 1, and it stopped right at resistance level 2. Everyone trading knew the market was waiting on that jobs report. If it was bad, we would obviously hit that 2nd level, since the 1st wasn't too significant. If we had a good day, we would have rocketed up, since the charts showed we were at a key level. If we broke that level, we would be rallying on news AND technicals.

Anyway, point is, as a improperly funded trader, getting big profits on the easy days is the best way to go in my view. It is those choppy, directionless days that will drain your account.
 
Have you considered from a risk standpoint that your account is too small to be trading futures? Have you thought about trading stocks instead?
 
That 'someone' was you and that 'someone' also sent me this PM.

Consider your credibility....shot.

:p



Quote from showboatz:

Why would anyone listen to you? you disappeared for 2 weeks the last time someone asked you to post your trading platform or show any proof that you trade
 

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