Life Insurance CEO Says Deaths Up 40% Among Those Aged 18-64

gwb-trading said:
The excess deaths by nation have been discussed before. Not worth my time to rehash the same thing once again.

Trying to claim the deaths are due to vaccines or increased suicides is idiotic. But this is where fools will go despite the U.S. enduring over 700,000 documented Covid deaths.
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I believe what I said was "they could be..."

Only you make claims around here that are never backed up with anything but "go look" or "not worth my time".
 
Tsing Tao said:
How are they "clearly attributed to COVID"?

They could be opioids, suicides, and all manner of similar issues that have all risen during your pandemic.
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Too many hypotheticals and independent variables. I'm more of an Occam's Razor kind of guy. :)
 
gwb-trading said:
Go read a complete summary of the Covid Excess Deaths information -- where you can also look it up and chart it by country over time , etc.

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
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From your source:

In our work on the Coronavirus pandemic we visualize the data on the confirmed number of deaths from COVID-19 for all countries. We update this data daily based on figures published by Johns Hopkins University (JHU).

But these confirmed deaths figures may differ from the excess mortality figures, which better capture the total impact of the pandemic on deaths, for several reasons:

  • Some (but not all) countries only report COVID-19 deaths that occur in hospitals — people that die from the disease at home may not be recorded;
  • Some countries only report deaths for which a COVID-19 test has confirmed that a patient was infected with the virus — untested individuals may not be included;
  • Death reporting systems may be insufficient to accurately measure mortality — this is particularly true in poorer countries;
  • The pandemic may result in increased deaths from other causes for a number of reasons including weakened healthcare systems; fewer people seeking treatment for other health risks; or less available funding and treatment for other diseases (e.g. HIV/AIDS, malaria, tuberculosis);
  • The pandemic may also result in fewer deaths from other causes. For example, the mobility restrictions during the pandemic might lead to fewer deaths from road accidents. Or there might be fewer deaths from the flu because of interventions to stop the spread of COVID-19, or because COVID-19 now causes deaths that would have otherwise been caused by the flu.
So, confirmed COVID deaths differ from these excess mortality figures because people dying at home might not be recorded, untested individuals might not be included (hard to say someone is a COVID death when they are suspected, but they did anyway), other causes (which is what I was saying) are a large part of it and fewer deaths from driving and other like activities due to lockdown impact.

Lots of profound statements here. Nothing supports your original statement that these excess deaths are "clearly attributed to COVID", though. What else ya got?
 
Tsing Tao said:
From your source:

In our work on the Coronavirus pandemic we visualize the data on the confirmed number of deaths from COVID-19 for all countries. We update this data daily based on figures published by Johns Hopkins University (JHU).

But these confirmed deaths figures may differ from the excess mortality figures, which better capture the total impact of the pandemic on deaths, for several reasons:

  • Some (but not all) countries only report COVID-19 deaths that occur in hospitals — people that die from the disease at home may not be recorded;
  • Some countries only report deaths for which a COVID-19 test has confirmed that a patient was infected with the virus — untested individuals may not be included;
  • Death reporting systems may be insufficient to accurately measure mortality — this is particularly true in poorer countries;
  • The pandemic may result in increased deaths from other causes for a number of reasons including weakened healthcare systems; fewer people seeking treatment for other health risks; or less available funding and treatment for other diseases (e.g. HIV/AIDS, malaria, tuberculosis);
  • The pandemic may also result in fewer deaths from other causes. For example, the mobility restrictions during the pandemic might lead to fewer deaths from road accidents. Or there might be fewer deaths from the flu because of interventions to stop the spread of COVID-19, or because COVID-19 now causes deaths that would have otherwise been caused by the flu.
So, confirmed COVID deaths differ from these excess mortality figures because people dying at home might not be recorded, untested individuals might not be included (hard to say someone is a COVID death when they are suspected, but they did anyway), other causes (which is what I was saying) are a large part of it and fewer deaths from driving and other like activities due to lockdown impact.

Lots of profound statements here. Nothing supports your original statement that these excess deaths are "clearly attributed to COVID", though. What else ya got?
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Yes.. .but most of the excess mortality data simply serves to show that Covid deaths were greatly undercounted around the world.
 
gwb-trading said:
Yes.. .but most of the excess mortality data simply serves to show that Covid deaths were greatly undercounted around the world.
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Perhaps, or miscounted. But this doesn't support your claim, and that's the point. You just pulled another one out of your ass with hopes no one would call you on it and it would slip by.

Just because you want something to be true with all your little NPC might doesn't mean that it is true. Also doesn't mean it isn't. But you walk around thinking it is certain when it is far from it.
 
Tsing Tao said:
Perhaps, or miscounted. But this doesn't support your claim, and that's the point. You just pulled another one out of your ass with hopes no one would call you on it and it would slip by.

Just because you want something to be true with all your little NPC might doesn't mean that it is true. Also doesn't mean it isn't. But you walk around thinking it is certain when it is far from it.
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Good luck with your assertions.

Why don't you join your buddy and claim that vaccines are causing all of these excess deaths --- which will let you slip back into your fantasy realm again.
 
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https://rumble.com/vrxlt4-govt.-dat...-suffered-injuries-or-death-from-covid-1.html

This from the UK. Likely US has experienced something similar.
 
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