Liberal Talk Show Host Mocks NRA Proposal, Sends Own Kids to School with Armed Guard

[Trader666]

More anti-gun nut denial of reality. I see you have no answer to my question. I also see that it doesn't compute in your pointy little head that inanimate objects aren't the problem, people are. What ideas do you have for dealing with people other than trying to subvert their Constitutional rights?

Quote from futurecurrents:

More typical gun-nut stupidity. Because doing something does not prevent all the problems we shouldn't bother doing it?

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from Trader666:

More anti-gun nut denial of reality. I see you have no answer to my question. I also see that it doesn't compute in your pointy little head that inanimate objects aren't the problem, people are. What ideas do you have for dealing with people other than trying to subvert their Constitutional rights?

No, the problem is that nut-jobs can too easily acquire weapons of mass murder. That's the reason automatic weapons and hand grenades are illegal. There will always be nut-jobs. Why is this so hard for the gun-nuts to understand?

 

[Trader666]

A car for example can be a "weapon of mass murder" too. Potentially a lot more dangerous than a gun because a killer could claim he plowed into the crowd by accident the first time and live to do it again. Should cars be banned too?

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No, the problem is that nut-jobs can too easily acquire weapons of mass murder. That's the reason automatic weapons and hand grenades are illegal. There will always be nut-jobs. Why is this so hard for the gun-nuts to understand?

 

[Lucrum]

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No, the problem is that nut-jobs can too easily acquire weapons of mass murder.

Better ban bomb making materials as well then. Timothy McVeigh, Richard Reid, Sara Jane Olson, Eric Rudolph, Hambali, Ted Kaczynski, Richard Chambliss...

That's the reason automatic weapons and hand grenades are illegal.

"Machine guns" are not totally illegal. You really should educate yourself on the topic before commenting further.

There will always be nut-jobs....

EXACTLY, which is why trying to ban confiscate, or micro regulate every conceivable tool that could be used in a murder is futile. What is so hard about that to understand?

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

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http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...d-been-complaining-about-slow-service/1266589

Man shot at St. Pete pizza joint had been complaining about slow service

By Kameel Stanley and Stephen Nohlgren, Times Staff Writers
In Print: Tuesday, December 18, 2012


ST. PETERSBURG — Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law has been cited in hundreds of cases. People have used it to justify shooting, stabbing, killing and maiming would-be intruders, romantic competitors and rival gang members.

And on Sunday, at a pizza joint in St. Petersburg, a man tried to use it as justification for shooting another customer who was yelling at workers because he wasn't getting his order fast enough.

Police said the incident unfolded about 4 p.m. inside the Little Caesars, 3463 Fourth St. N, after Randall White, 49, got mad about his service.

Another man in line, Michael Jock, 52, of St. Petersburg admonished White.

That "prompted them to exchange words and it became a shoving match," said police spokesman Mike Puetz.

White raised a fist. Jock, a concealed-weapons permit holder, pulled out a .38 Taurus Ultralight Special Revolver.

He fired one round, hitting White in the lower torso. The men grappled and the gun fired again, hitting White in roughly the same spot, police said.

One bullet lodged in a wall in the restaurant, which was occupied by at least two other people.

After the shooting, both men went outside and waited for police. Jock told officers the shooting was justified under "stand your ground," Puetz said.

"He felt he was in his rights," Puetz said. "He brought it up specifically and cited it to the officer."

He told officers he feared for his life. He mentioned that he thought White had an object in his hand, then backed off that when officers pressed him. Florida's "stand your ground law" says people are not required to retreat before using deadly force.

"We determined it did not reach a level where deadly force was required," Puetz said.

Police arrested Jock on charges of aggravated battery with a weapon and shooting within a building. He was released from jail on $20,000 bail.

Jock told the Tampa Bay Times he was meeting with a lawyer today, but declined further comment.

White was treated at Bayfront Medical Center and released. Reached by phone Monday night, he said he felt lucky to be alive. He was also angry.

"There are arguments every day, but how many people pull out a gun? When you pull a gun out and shoot somebody, your life better be in danger," White said. "He was in my face and I pushed him. His life was not being threatened."

White said he got mad because his thin-crust vegetable pie was taking longer than the 10 minutes he was promised.

"Twenty minutes later, I'm like, 'Where's my pizza?' " White said.

White, who admitted he was tired and agitated, started talking about the service. That's when he said Jock "started chewing me out."

White said the gun came out quickly. A shot rang out. The two men wrestled for the gun before the second shot was fired.

White said he still has a bullet fragment in his back.

"I got lucky," he said. "To me, that stand your ground rule … people are twisting it. He's twisting it. I walked in to get a pizza and I got shot … I'm hoping the law prevails. We'll see."

That's such bull shit, assault me and pretend my life isn't being threatned.

Sorry folks but you better get this straight, any and I mean any threat or assault against my person is considered "a threat to my life".

Expecting me to respond otherwise is just utter stupidity on your part.

 

[maxpi]

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Armed guards are not a bad idea. I don't think anyone says that they are. But it is no substitute for the banning of handguns, assault rifles and large capacity magazines. The gun-nuts seem to look right past this basic fact. There is simply no reason for these types of weapons in the hands of civilians. Period.

all during the cold war the Russians were insisting that the US should disarm.. you obviously want a unilateral disarmament by the citizens of the United States.. I suppose that after the revolution they promised you a Mercedes?

 

[trendlover]

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That's such bull shit, assault me and pretend my life isn't being threatned.

Sorry folks but you better get this straight, any and I mean any threat or assault against my person is considered "a threat to my life".

Expecting me to respond otherwise is just utter stupidity on your part.

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Do you read my link? The people only going to have pizza. One man is angry for the time his pizza is not done, so he complain. Another man is angry for that complaint. So what? Is only pizza. So if one man did not have that gun, he will not shoot the other man because of complaint of pizza. I can not believe this is real for pizza. That gun make that man feel too much power. And all for pizza?

 

[pspr]

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all during the cold war the Russians were insisting that the US should disarm.. you obviously want a unilateral disarmament by the citizens of the United States.. I suppose that after the revolution they promised you a Mercedes?

Putin called for the disarming of citizens just a few days ago. You never know when an invasion might be the order of the day. 10 years from now or 100, it's best to have a defensless population for an invasion.

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from Trader666:

A car for example can be a "weapon of mass murder" too. Potentially a lot more dangerous than a gun because a killer could claim he plowed into the crowd by accident the first time and live to do it again. Should cars be banned too?

Duh.

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from maxpi:

all during the cold war the Russians were insisting that the US should disarm.. you obviously want a unilateral disarmament by the citizens of the United States.. I suppose that after the revolution they promised you a Mercedes?

Listen carefully. I know you gun-nuts have a hard time comprehending anything more complex than the potency a gun gives you, but the proponents of gun control, like myself, do NOT want to eliminate ALL guns. Do you understand that? Is there a way we could make it clearer to those of you who may have difficulty understanding basic English and logic?