Liberal researches climate change and becomes climate skeptic

[gwb-trading]

Plus if we keep releasing CO2 like we are we are dooming the planet to catastrophic climate change and sea level rise and acidification and large loss of species. There's that also.

Only if we are pushing fiction akin to the existence of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

 

[jem]

co2 is plant food and no peer reviewed science is showing that man made co2 is causing warming. (if there was you would produce it.)

CO2 is probably a minor component of earths negative feedback mechanisms.
Helps warm out of ice ages by acting like a blanket and helps cooling after warm periods by acting like a shield in the upper atmosphere.

 

[futurecurrents]

Only if we are pushing fiction akin to the existence of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

So you haven't told me yet what you think of the following? Pretty fucked up huh? Just like what the tobacco companies did. Good ol capitalism.

• By 1978 Exxon’s senior scientists were telling top management that climate change was real, caused by man, and would raise global temperatures by 2-3C this century, which was pretty much spot-on.

• By the early 1980s they’d validated these findings with shipborne measurements of CO2 (they outfitted a giant tanker with carbon sensors for a research voyage) and with computer models that showed precisely what was coming. As the head of one key lab at Exxon Research wrote to his superiors, there was “unanimous agreement in the scientific community that a temperature increase of this magnitude would bring about significant changes in the earth’s climate, including rainfall distribution and alterations in the biosphere”.

• And by the early 1990s their researchers studying the possibility for new exploration in the Arctic were well aware that human-induced climate change was melting the poles. Indeed, they used that knowledge to plan their strategy, reporting that soon the Beaufort Sea would be ice-free as much as five months a year instead of the historic two. Greenhouse gases are rising “due to the burning of fossil fuels,” a key Exxon researcher told an audience of engineers at a conference in 1991. “Nobody disputes this fact.”

But of course Exxon did dispute that fact. Not inside the company, where they used their knowledge to buy oil leases in the areas they knew would melt, but outside, where they used their political and financial might to make sure no one took climate change seriously.

They helped organise campaigns designed to instil doubt, borrowing tactics and personnel from the tobacco industry’s similar fight. They funded “institutes” devoted to outright climate denial. And at the highest levels they did all they could to spread their lies.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding

 

[gwb-trading]

So you haven't told me yet what you think of the following? Pretty fucked up huh? Just like what the tobacco companies did. Good ol capitalism.

• By 1978 Exxon’s senior scientists were telling top management that climate change was real, caused by man, and would raise global temperatures by 2-3C this century, which was pretty much spot-on.

• By the early 1980s they’d validated these findings with shipborne measurements of CO2 (they outfitted a giant tanker with carbon sensors for a research voyage) and with computer models that showed precisely what was coming. As the head of one key lab at Exxon Research wrote to his superiors, there was “unanimous agreement in the scientific community that a temperature increase of this magnitude would bring about significant changes in the earth’s climate, including rainfall distribution and alterations in the biosphere”.

• And by the early 1990s their researchers studying the possibility for new exploration in the Arctic were well aware that human-induced climate change was melting the poles. Indeed, they used that knowledge to plan their strategy, reporting that soon the Beaufort Sea would be ice-free as much as five months a year instead of the historic two. Greenhouse gases are rising “due to the burning of fossil fuels,” a key Exxon researcher told an audience of engineers at a conference in 1991. “Nobody disputes this fact.”

But of course Exxon did dispute that fact. Not inside the company, where they used their knowledge to buy oil leases in the areas they knew would melt, but outside, where they used their political and financial might to make sure no one took climate change seriously.

They helped organise campaigns designed to instil doubt, borrowing tactics and personnel from the tobacco industry’s similar fight. They funded “institutes” devoted to outright climate denial. And at the highest levels they did all they could to spread their lies.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding

Guess you didn't catch the hint with Mr. Burns from The Simpsons mouthing "Excellent".

So the Skeptical Science Crusher Crew gave you orders to push this absurd Guardian article in mid-October. The article is quite amusing -- stitching together half-truths it attempts to portray Exxon as a large corporate entity which was somehow the most advance CO2 research entity in the world over a thirty year time period after which they used their data to install doubt and drive "climate denial". Anyone familiar with the oil industry knows that Exxon is not going to outfit an giant tanker for a research expedition for CO2 measurements. Tankers are desperately needed to drive revenue and ship oil on tight schedule. Can anyone provide the name of the tanker and when the voyage was made? The story is complete unadulterated B.S.

Can you name the Exxon senior scientists that were telling the top management that "climate change" was real and caused by man? There was only one -- Lenny Bernstein, who authors IPCC climate reports, making these claims which have been very much refuted by others who worked at Exxon during the same time period.

The points about "melting the poles" is pure fantasy. Let's read the accounts of early arctic explorers about the open runs of water they encountered... well before the 1970s.

 

[futurecurrents]

Guess you didn't catch the hint with Mr. Burns from The Simpsons mouthing "Excellent".

So the Skeptical Science Crusher Crew gave you orders to push this absurd Guardian article in mid-October. The article is quite amusing -- stitching together half-truths it attempts to portray Exxon as a large corporate entity which was somehow the most advance CO2 research entity in the world over a thirty year time period after which they used their data to install doubt and drive "climate denial". Anyone familiar with the oil industry knows that Exxon is not going to outfit an giant tanker for a research expedition for CO2 measurements. Tankers are desperately needed to drive revenue and ship oil on tight schedule. Can anyone provide the name of the tanker and when the voyage was made? The story is complete unadulterated B.S.

Can you name the Exxon senior scientists that were telling the top management that "climate change" was real and caused by man? There was only one -- Lenny Bernstein, who authors IPCC climate reports, making these claims which have been very much refuted by others who worked at Exxon during the same time period.

The points about "melting the poles" is pure fantasy. Let's read the accounts of early arctic explorers about the open runs of water they encountered... well before the 1970s.

So you did not read the article or the scientist' Email. Allll righty then.



How are you able to bend over so far that you can stick your head up your rectum?

 

[fhl]

FC, have you been huffing freon on the job?

"tapping into the air conditioning units to steal the Freon, which can be inhaled, or "huffed," to get high. Inhaling Freon produces a high that is similar to what is felt from drinking alcohol, and doing so can freeze the lungs or cause brain damage.

 

[WeToddDid2]

So you haven't told me yet what you think of the following? Pretty fucked up huh? Just like what the tobacco companies did. Good ol capitalism.

• By 1978 Exxon’s senior scientists were telling top management that climate change was real, caused by man, and would raise global temperatures by 2-3C this century, which was pretty much spot-on.

• By the early 1980s they’d validated these findings with shipborne measurements of CO2 (they outfitted a giant tanker with carbon sensors for a research voyage) and with computer models that showed precisely what was coming. As the head of one key lab at Exxon Research wrote to his superiors, there was “unanimous agreement in the scientific community that a temperature increase of this magnitude would bring about significant changes in the earth’s climate, including rainfall distribution and alterations in the biosphere”.

• And by the early 1990s their researchers studying the possibility for new exploration in the Arctic were well aware that human-induced climate change was melting the poles. Indeed, they used that knowledge to plan their strategy, reporting that soon the Beaufort Sea would be ice-free as much as five months a year instead of the historic two. Greenhouse gases are rising “due to the burning of fossil fuels,” a key Exxon researcher told an audience of engineers at a conference in 1991. “Nobody disputes this fact.”

But of course Exxon did dispute that fact. Not inside the company, where they used their knowledge to buy oil leases in the areas they knew would melt, but outside, where they used their political and financial might to make sure no one took climate change seriously.

They helped organise campaigns designed to instil doubt, borrowing tactics and personnel from the tobacco industry’s similar fight. They funded “institutes” devoted to outright climate denial. And at the highest levels they did all they could to spread their lies.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding

Go team Obama!

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/how-obama-became-oil-
president-gas-fracking-drill

How Obama Became the Oil President
He once talked of plans to reduce oil consumption—now the US drills more than ever. What happened?

Obama's Turnaround on Oil

That was then and this is now, and Obama ain't talking that way no more. Instead, he regularly boasts of America's soaring oil output and points to all he's done and is still doing to further increase domestic production. [Bold and underline mine]Thanks to the sort of heightened investment in domestic output his administration has sponsored, he told a cheering Congress in January, "more oil [was] produced at home than we buy from the rest of the world—the first time that's happened in nearly twenty years." Although still offering his usual bow to the dangers of climate change, Obama did not hesitate to promise to facilitate further gains in domestic output.

Bold and underline mine below.

Here are some of the other measures recently taken by the administration to boost domestic oil production, according to a recent White House factsheet:

* An increase in the sales of leases for oil and gas drilling on federal lands. In 2013, the Bureau of Land Management held 30 such sales—the most in a decade—offering 5.7 million acres for lease by industry.

* An increase in the speed with which permits are being issued for actual drilling on federal lands. What's called "processing time" has, the White House boasts, been cut from 228 days in 2012 to 194 days in 2013.

* The opening up of an additional 59 million acres for oil and gas drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, the site of a disastrous BP oil spill in April 2010.

In other words, global warming be damned![Bold and underline mine]

Party on!

 

[WeToddDid2]

Hey Fraud,

But some jackets. It is gonna get really cold.

 

[stoic]

...........dooming the planet to catastrophic climate change and sea level rise and acidification and large loss of species........

Translation: ....The sky is falling...the sky is falling.... !!!

Will somebody please give this nirffhearder an umbrella.

 

[ipatent]

There are two ways to govern. Autocratically where the leaders can openly disdain what the people think, and "Democratically," where the people are herded by lies into supporting what the leaders want.

When the lie is exposed but the underlying policy is sound, the policymakers have created a credibility problem for themselves that undermines a worthy goal.

Since the internet, they have to craft the lies more carefully because skeptics can cooperate and compare notes. But they have a problem with some of the whoppers from the past, and there are still some dinosaurs in government who haven't adjusted.

There's no doubt a lot of government money being spent backpedaling on old lies and trying to keep some pretty dubious stories straight.