Liberal protesters vs. conservative protesters

Quote from peilthetraveler:

So you are saying that 3,000 years ago when the population of the world was 99% less than it is today, that everyone had enough resources? Opps, looks like your argument just fell to pieces.

How about 10,000 years ago, or doesn't your calendar go back that far?
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

Sorry, I was wrong...their domestic violence rate is not twice as high as heterosexuals....its at least 5 TIMES HIGHER!!! At least thats what the american journal of public health said in 2002. (December 2002, Vol. 92, No. 12) So i'm sorry i was a little "conservative" on the numbers. :P


http://narth.com/docs/domestic.html

From the website...

The researchers report a high rate of battering within the context of intimate homosexual partnerships, with 39% of those studied reporting at least one type of battering by a partner over the last five years.

In contrast, only about 7.7% of heterosexual men of all ages report physical or sexual partner abuse during their entire lifetimes. (Lifetime rates of abuse are generally higher than those within a five-year period.)

The prevalence of domestic violence among Gay and Lesbian couples is approximately 25 - 33%. It is as common as it is in heterosexual relationships. (Barnes, It's Just a Quarrel', American Bar Association Journal, February 1998, p. 25.)

Nearly one in four women in the United States reports experiencing violence by a current or former spouse or boyfriend at some point in her life.4

a tie-in with the gun debate.............

Access to firearms yields a more than five-fold increase in risk of intimate partner homicide when considering other factors of abuse, according to a recent study, suggesting that abusers who possess guns tend to inflict the most severe abuse on their partners.
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

So you are saying that 3,000 years ago when the population of the world was 99% less than it is today, that everyone had enough resources? Opps, looks like your argument just fell to pieces.

My argument that if there were more gays the population would not grow as much "fell to pieces" ? Interesting. Or are you one those of guys who think there is no limit to how many people the earth can support.
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

Oh so it harms no one huh? Ok, so how come when a parent finds out his kid is gay, 99% of them are hurt?

Homosexuality created AIDS. Bisexuality spread it to heterosexuals. That seems to fit the definition of harm.

Gays can't have children with each other and since social security only works because the population grows, this means they are not contributing to increased population which means when they are old, they will just collect more than they ever put in and they have no decendents to pick up the slack.

99.9% of all boys/men raped are raped by homosexuals. If there were no homosexuals, there would be almost no male rape in the world.

Homosexuals have twice the domestic violence rates of heterosexuals. That costs taxpayers lots of money. That sounds harmful to me.

I could go on, but you get the point.

umm nope Jungle bunnies eating (infected ) monkey brains is the cause for AIDS.
think mad cow disease on steroids

Also tribes that ceremoniously eat the brains of their deceased played a role in it's evolution to man.

Oddly enough I don't believe the original virus was deadly to the monkeys.
 
Quote from futurecurrents:

Well I think some of that is disputable and overinflated

And do you want me to cite all the bad things that heterosexuals do? For instance heteros are responsible for the over-population problem. Hitler was a hetero. 99.9 % of the rapes of women are done by heteros. Wife beatings are done almost exclusively by heteros. Almost all sexual child abuse is done by heteros. Some of them very religious heteros. An awful lot of them the same priests who rant against homosexuals.

I could go on, but you get the point.

If more of the world were gay there would many benefits. Population growth would come down. Heteros would be able to have bigger families without overwhelming resources. There would be more compassionate, sensitive men and stronger women. The world would look better. There would be more women at baseball games.

ummm... some traffic cops would be more entertaining?
Isn't time for you to go home and "bite the pillow"?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bite+the+pillow
 
Quote from futurecurrents:

My argument that if there were more gays the population would not grow as much "fell to pieces" ? Interesting. Or are you one those of guys who think there is no limit to how many people the earth can support.

No, there is a limit to how much the earth can support, but you dont understand that humans adapt and as the population grows, so will the ability to leave and colonize other planets.

Less than 200 years ago, when the population of the world was 1 billion, man could only get around by 1 of two ways. His feet or the feet of his animal. 100 years ago when the population was 1.6 billion, man learned to build planes. 50 years ago when the population was 3 billion, man learned to build spacecraft and soon after landed on the moon. 15 to 20 years ago the population of the world was 5.7 billion and man created the world wide web and connected the intelligence of the world together. Its a small mind that thinks we won't have figured out how to travel 100s of light years in a short amount of time and colonize other planets when its only been a decade or so that we linked the combined intelligence of the world together. If we can go from walking and letter writing communication to space travel & instant communication in just 100 years(which was far beyond the imagination of the average person 100 years ago) then it stands to reason, we will advance far beyond our current imagination 100 years from now.
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

No, there is a limit to how much the earth can support, but you dont understand that humans adapt and as the population grows, so will the ability to leave and colonize other planets.
Homosexuality is not the solution of the population problem, but colonizing other planets isn't either, due to the unfortunate lack of planets. The only planet in our solar system that could be colonized is Mars, but terraforming Mars will take about 100,000 years at least. Exporting superfluous population to planets of other stars won't work either as described in science fiction novels, due to various reasons, one of them is special relativity theory.

Sooner or later, mankind has to adopt the Chinese solution to reduce overpopulation.
 
Quote from jcl:

Homosexuality is not the solution of the population problem, but colonizing other planets isn't either, due to the unfortunate lack of planets. The only planet in our solar system that could be colonized is Mars, but terraforming Mars will take about 100,000 years at least. Exporting superfluous population to planets of other stars won't work either as described in science fiction novels, due to various reasons, one of them is special relativity theory.

Sooner or later, mankind has to adopt the Chinese solution to reduce overpopulation.

You are thinking with the knowledge of current science and technology. Its akin to someone in the 1800s saying we will never go to the moon because horses can't fly and nobody can jump that high.

General theory of relativity says mass warps space and it could be possible to "punch a hole" through space one day to get from one place in the galaxy to another. With knowledge online now and billions of people having access to it, who knows what the next decade will bring in terms of discoveries of space travel.

And there is already a plan to have human settlements on mars by 2023.

http://mars-one.com/en/
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

You are thinking with the knowledge of current science and technology. Its akin to someone in the 1800s saying we will never go to the moon because horses can't fly and nobody can jump that high.

General theory of relativity says mass warps space and it could be possible to "punch a hole" through space one day to get from one place in the galaxy to another. With knowledge online now and billions of people having access to it, who knows what the next decade will bring in terms of discoveries of space travel.

And there is already a plan to have human settlements on mars by 2023.

http://mars-one.com/en/
I have not said that human stations on mars are not possible; in fact they will most likely be built someday. But you can not solve the population problem this way, as you'd need a sort of habitable planet for a mass exodus. The problem is not lack of imagination of future technology. It's just logic and the laws of nature.

For punching a hole through space, you would need at least the mass required for creating a singularity. This is a mass equivalent to about four times the mass of the sun. Even then you can enter the singularity with your space ship, but can not exit it. Reaching the stars in a more conventional way, with a perfect space ship engine, would also require too much energy and too high travel time for a realistic population exodus. Read here why:

http://unendliches.net/english/?weiten.htm

Future technology can solve many, but not all human problems. And even if it could theoretically solve them, for instance by building a Dyson shere or thousands of huge space stations in orbits around the sun, the Chinese solution would be somewhat easier.
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

Sorry, I was wrong...their domestic violence rate is not twice as high as heterosexuals....its at least 5 TIMES HIGHER!!! At least thats what the american journal of public health said in 2002. (December 2002, Vol. 92, No. 12) So i'm sorry i was a little "conservative" on the numbers. :P


http://narth.com/docs/domestic.html

From the website...

The researchers report a high rate of battering within the context of intimate homosexual partnerships, with 39% of those studied reporting at least one type of battering by a partner over the last five years.

In contrast, only about 7.7% of heterosexual men of all ages report physical or sexual partner abuse during their entire lifetimes. (Lifetime rates of abuse are generally higher than those within a five-year period.)


Oops there's those pesky facts again. Now of course it'll be denied with nary a shred of evidence to back up their denial.
 
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