LGBT - Terror

Why not honestly investigating the US statistics? The numbers are out there (I posted them). I honestly believe most in the pro gun camp lack the ability to make any connections to Australia's case. But they may understand why the deaths by gun violence in Louisiana and New Jersey, for example, are so different,given we can back them up by hard cold numbers.

Unless of course there is no interest in moving forward...

Facts: number of mass shootings in Australia since their strict gun control laws enacted (20 years on): zero.
Amount of overall gun violence in Australia since the gun control laws: down 50%.
 
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If you honestly believe in this urban legend and even attempt to draw parallels then you have not the slightest understanding about the motivation and rational behind most modern religious extremist. Most incidences in the western world were NOT committed by some religious zealots. They were committed by religiously clueless individuals who gave up on themselves and society, because they feel disenfranchised, or pushed against a wall. I am not excusing any of the actions of someone who kills others but it is vitally important to understand the motivations if we ever want to succeed against domestic and international terrorism.
getting back to the topic. I find it interesting that some of the guys are implying the terrorist was gay. I think they should actually dramatize this and make it a big deal.

If I were the LGBT community... I would make this guy out to be so gay that no other terrorist would ever commit acts of terror against them.

like the story of General Black Jack Pershing.....

One important thing to remember is that Muslims detest pork because they believe pigs are filthy animals. Some of them simply refuse to eat it, while others won't even touch pigs at all, nor any of their by-products. To them, eating or touching a pig, its meat, its blood, etc., is to be instantly barred from paradise and doomed to hell.

Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist attacks against the United States and it's interests by, you guessed it, Muslim extremists.

So General Pershing captured 50 of the terrorists and had them tied to posts execution style. He then had his men bring in two pigs and slaughter them in front of the, now horrified, terrorists.

The soldiers then soaked their bullets in pigs blood, and proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad.

The soldiers then dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist's bodies and covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc.

They let the 50th man go. And for about the next 42 years, there was not a single attack by a muslim fanatic anywhere in the world.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/historical/fl/Gen-Black-Jack-Pershing-vs-Muslim-Terrorists.htm
 
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Out of which obscure hole are people like you crawling? Everytime there are more facts on the table more lies and falsehood surfaces as well. It's absolutely amazing.
NONE SO BLIND
06.14.16 5:03 AM ET
Admit It: These Terrorists Are Muslims
There’s a lot of special pleading about Orlando from Muslims and liberals. It’s time to do away with that. If not, we give the issue away to Trump.
LONDON — The atrocious attack in Orlando, Florida, was an act of ISIS-inspired jihadist terrorism that targeted gays. It must concern us all.

Before any of our assumed multiple identities, we are human beings first and foremost. You don’t have to be black to condemn racism, nor Jewish to condemn anti-Semitism, nor Muslim to condemn anti-Muslim bigotry, and you certainly don’t have to be gay to condemn the evil that just descended upon Orlando.

A puerile response by some of my fellow Muslims is to ask “why should we apologize for something that has nothing to do with us.” But this entirely misses the point.

Just as we Muslims expect solidarity from wider society against anti-Muslim bigotry and racism, likewise we must reciprocate solidarity toward victims of Islamist extremism. Just as we encourage others to actively denounce racism wherever they see it, so too must we actively denounce Islamist theocratic views wherever we find them.

Enough with the special pleading. Enough with the denial. Enough with the obfuscation.

The killer of Orlando was a homophobic Muslim extremist, inspired by an ideological take on my own religion, Islam. In just the first seven days of this holy month of Ramadan, various jihadists have carried out attacks in Tel Aviv, Baghdad, Damascus, Idlib, Beirut, Orlando, and now Paris.

This global jihadist insurgency threatens every corner of the world and has killed more Muslims than members any other faith. So why pretend it does not exist? Why shy away from calling it by name?

So far do many of us liberals go in denying the problem, that we’re happy to stigmatize other vulnerable minorities in the process. “He was not a Muslim, he was nothing but a mad lunatic,” we cry in exasperation. As if those with mental health issues are somehow automatically predisposed to murder, or immune to manipulation and exploitation by cynical Islamists and jihadists.


Then there’s that other old tactic to try and avoid discussing the Islamist ideology. “He wasn’t from the Muslim community,” we proclaim. “He was acting in isolation, a lone wolf.”

Apart from the fact that research highlights how incredibly rare it is for jihadists to act in a vacuum, we need look no further than the Orlando attacker Omar Mateen’s father, whopraised the Taliban as “warriors” to realize this avoidance tactic for what it is. Clearly Omar Mateen had moved in an atmosphere that glorified jihadist ideology.

“But it must be foreign policy in Afghanistan,” we naively protest. Albeit better than China’s, Russia’s, Saudi Arabia’s, Iran’s and most other undemocratic countries in the world, yes our foreign and domestic policies have their flaws. But what did gays in the Pulse nightclub have to do with any of that? Or the gays that ISIS regularly throws off the tallest buildings in Syria, for that matter?

It is time that we liberals took the fabled red pill and accepted reality. Just as this clearly has something to do with outdated gun laws, and just as those laws need reform, this also has something to do with Islam, which also needs reform today. No other stance makes any sense.

Poll after poll of British Muslims has revealed statistically significant levels of homophobic opinion. A 2009 poll by Gallup found that 0 percent of Britain’s Muslims believed homosexual acts to be morally acceptable. Despite polling methodology, what previous polls have shown us time and again is more of the same. In a 2013 Pew pollMuslims overwhelmingly say that homosexual behavior is morally wrong, including three-quarters or more in 33 of the 36 countries where the question was asked.

The latest ICM poll from April 2016 asked a slightly different question about whether being gay should be legal. Over half of British Muslims surveyed said they supported making homosexual acts illegal. It did not used to be like this, so what happened?

Liberals who claim that this has nothing to do with Islam today are being as unhelpful and as ignorant as conservatives who claim that this represents all of Islam. The problem so obviously has something to do with Islam. That something is Islamism, or the desire to impose any version of Islam over any society. Jihadism is the attempt to do so by force. This ideology of Islamism has been rising almost unchecked among Muslims for decades. It is a theocratic ideology, and theocracy should no longer have any place in the world today.
But it is as if we liberals will stoop to anything to avoid discussing ideology. We will initiate state sanctioned presidential kill lists and launch unaccountable targeted assassinations. Yet, no amount of drone strikes under Obama—at a rate that far exceedsBush—will ever solve the problem. We cannot shoot our way out of an ideology. We cannot arrest our way out of an insurgency. Yes, law and war have their own place, but they will never solve the problem.

In the long run, only reducing the local appeal of this ideology will solve the problem. Whereas Islam today requires reform, the Islamist ideology must be intellectually terminated. To do so requires first acknowledging it exists, isolating it from Muslims, devising a strategy to challenge it, and then backing the voices that do.

As I argued in a TV debate with Fareed Zakaria, the danger of not doing so is twofold. Within the Muslim context, it is a betrayal of those liberal reforming Muslims who risk everything daily. These are feminist Muslims, gay Muslims, ex-Muslims, dissenting liberal and secular Muslim voices, persecuted minority sects among Muslims, the Ismailis, the Ahmedis and the Shia—all these different minorities within the minority of the Muslim community—they are immediately betrayed by our silence.

By shutting down the conversation about Islamist extremism we deprive them of the lexicon to deploy against those who are attempting to silence their progressive efforts within their own communities. We surrender their identity of Islam to the extremists.

The second danger is in the non-Muslim context. What happens if we don’t name the Islamist ideology and distinguish it from Islam? We leave a void for the vast majority of Americans—who are unaware of the nuances in this debate—to be filled by Donald Trump and the Populist Right. They will go on to blame all versions of Islam and every Muslim, and their frustration at not being able to talk about the problem will give in to rage, as it has done. By refusing to discuss it, we only increase the hysteria. Like “he who must not be named”—the Voldemort Effect, I call it—we increase the fear.

So this is my appeal to President Obama, Hillary Clinton, and to all liberals and Muslims, for humanity’s sake let’s stop playing politics with evil. Just as this so obviously has something to do with lax gun laws, it so clearly has something to do with Islam. Hillary Clinton nearly conceded as much after these recent attacks. But liberals must own this debate, not merely appear to be defensively reacting to Trump’s agenda.

This September will mark 15 years since the 9/11 attacks, and we still haven’t devised a strategy to address Islamist extremism, let alone identified voices who can do so globally. Not al Qaeda, not ISIS, nor any other theocratic jihadist group that may emerge in the future, but a strategy that recognizes we are in the middle of a Cold War against theocracy. If we refuse to isolate, name and shame Islamist extremism, from fear of increasing anti-Muslim bigotry, we only increase anti-Muslim bigotry. If the rise of Trump has not convinced us of this yet, then nothing will.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/14/admit-it-these-terrorists-are-muslims.html
 
Is there no ground between principle and common sense legislation? Are we so far beyond trusting each other that all we will consider is our own positions? Must every partisan political success be a Pyrrhic victory? Just askin':banghead:
My hypothesis... It's the internet, Cap'n. They say Mateen was (among other problems) "radicalized over the internet". Interesting concept, no? Think about it, we can go to the opinion sites we agree with, and only those sites, and continue reinforcing and hardening our own opinions day after day. Wouldn't this process then tend to filter and distort all that we read everywhere else? If the internet is one great big mind, it has enabled some of us to ruminate to the point of madness. Being home alone, as so many reportedly are, cannot be helpful.
 
How can you possibly agree with very little of what he wrote? Almost everything in his post are facts. You can't disagree with facts you can only deny facts. But even that does not make the facts any less factual.

Apparently you have difficulty separating facts from opinions. Nearly everything he wrote is an opinion, not a fact.

Let me provide you with some help to enlighten you with the difference between opinion and fact:
The statement "Trump Tower in Toronto was a disaster" is an opinion. There are a number of people who believe it was a disaster and there are others who claim it is perfectly fine. Certainly it is not a disaster compared to some other high-rises in Toronto that actually dropped junk that killed people.

Here is an example of a fact - On August 31, 2015 an "'Unstable antenna' on Trump Tower closes Bay St." This is a straight out fact. There is no dispute about what occurred. It is not an objective opinion about if the building was a disaster or not.
 
Facts are often established by overwhelming evidence. When a building project goes into receivership, when there are countless witnesses that testify to Trump's not paying vendors on time, when there are countless cheated T-Uni students, when Trump hired illegal immigrants whom he customarily underpaid or failed to pay for months then I would say that it is overwhelming evidence that establishes the fact that Trump is a business man of questionable character and work ethics. Rules for him are rules that are meant to be bent and not respected. All the above evidence that established the fact are verifiable by the way. I posted the source which appears well researched and lists facts by name and source and explains why the source is credible.

Trump is a cheat throughout his life and yet I do fully understand why people vote for him. But only the stupid believe that Trump has honest and selfless intentions.

Apparently you have difficulty separating facts from opinions. Nearly everything he wrote is an opinion, not a fact.

Let me provide you with some help to enlighten you with the difference between opinion and fact:
The statement "Trump Tower in Toronto was a disaster" is an opinion. There are a number of people who believe it was a disaster and there are others who claim it is perfectly fine. Certainly it is not a disaster compared to some other high-rises in Toronto that actually dropped junk that killed people.

Here is an example of a fact - On August 31, 2015 an "'Unstable antenna' on Trump Tower closes Bay St." This is a straight out fact. There is no dispute about what occurred. It is not an objective opinion about if the building was a disaster or not.
 
Facts are often established by overwhelming evidence. When a building project goes into receivership, when there are countless witnesses that testify to Trump's not paying vendors on time, when there are countless cheated T-Uni students, when Trump hired illegal immigrants whom he customarily underpaid or failed to pay for months then I would say that it is overwhelming evidence that establishes the fact that Trump is a business man of questionable character and work ethics. Rules for him are rules that are meant to be bent and not respected. All the above evidence that established the fact are verifiable by the way. I posted the source which appears well researched and lists facts by name and source and explains why the source is credible.

It is your opinion, not a fact "that Trump is a business man of questionable character and work ethics." I happen to agree with your opinion.
 
Again it is not only my opinion but a fact supported by all the evidence on the table. You can't say a tomato is not red just because there is no conclusive fact a tomato is red. It is red because we humans chose a color called red which happens to match the color of a tomato. Everything that matches that color we also call red.

Equally, most business dealings and the way Trump conducted himself witnesses call ethically highly questionable. Heck, Trump has to coerce existing business relationships to force out of them counter testimony. When most everyone testifies to Trump not taking existing agreed contracts all too serious and has no problem to bankrupt one, but two, three,... Huge building projects then it is factual that he is not a prudent investor nor response business partner.

By extension, the question then arises how seriously he takes international law, how he unites Americans, and what kind of games he would be playing in the white house to further his own ego trip at the expense of everyone else.

It is your opinion, not a fact "that Trump is a business man of questionable character and work ethics." I happen to agree with your opinion.
 
I don't buy the theory that the killer is gay. It doesn't jive with the 59 virgins-martyr deal.

Of course, I am applying logic to a deranged individual, so what do I know.
 
I don't buy the theory that the killer is gay. It doesn't jive with the 59 virgins-martyr deal.

Of course, I am applying logic to a deranged individual, so what do I know.

What makes you think that the 59 virgins wouldn't be big hairy men just like him?
 
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