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Let's get real about prison abuse
- Thread starter AAAintheBeltway
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What are these Iraqis whining about? Didn't they have it worse when Saddam was running these prisons? I think these pictures send out the message that our troops aren't pussies and are not afraid to humiliate these scumbags who do not play by the rules in the first place.
We should by now understand that being nice and trying to win the hearts of these ungrateful Iraqis is not going to work. We should tell them what to do instead of listening to their whining.
Dialogue was given a chance and they were unwilling to work with us. We therefore have to do things our way.
And will someone please tell our officials to stop apologizing? Has any Iraqi apologized for the brutal slayings of the 4 American contractors? Americans must show resolve in this situation, the same resolve that Harry Truman showed the Japanese in WWII when he dropped the big one on them.
We should by now understand that being nice and trying to win the hearts of these ungrateful Iraqis is not going to work. We should tell them what to do instead of listening to their whining.
Dialogue was given a chance and they were unwilling to work with us. We therefore have to do things our way.
And will someone please tell our officials to stop apologizing? Has any Iraqi apologized for the brutal slayings of the 4 American contractors? Americans must show resolve in this situation, the same resolve that Harry Truman showed the Japanese in WWII when he dropped the big one on them.
Quote from reg:
What are these Iraqis whining about? Didn't they have it worse when Saddam was running these prisons? I think these pictures send out the message that our troops aren't pussies and are not afraid to humiliate these scumbags who do not play by the rules in the first place.
We should by now understand that being nice and trying to win the hearts of these ungrateful Iraqis is not going to work. We should tell them what to do instead of listening to their whining.
Dialogue was given a chance and they were unwilling to work with us. We therefore have to do things our way.
And will someone please tell our officials to stop apologizing? Has any Iraqi apologized for the brutal slayings of the 4 American contractors? Americans must show resolve in this situation, the same resolve that Harry Truman showed the Japanese in WWII when he dropped the big one on them.
Yeah!!!.....Stay down bro! These so called hearings Friday did the U.S. way more harm than good.
Quote from reg:
What are these Iraqis whining about? Didn't they have it worse when Saddam was running these prisons? I think these pictures send out the message that our troops aren't pussies and are not afraid to humiliate these scumbags who do not play by the rules in the first place.
We should by now understand that being nice and trying to win the hearts of these ungrateful Iraqis is not going to work. We should tell them what to do instead of listening to their whining.
Dialogue was given a chance and they were unwilling to work with us. We therefore have to do things our way.
And will someone please tell our officials to stop apologizing? Has any Iraqi apologized for the brutal slayings of the 4 American contractors? Americans must show resolve in this situation, the same resolve that Harry Truman showed the Japanese in WWII when he dropped the big one on them.
Rofl even Iraqi understand your government don't give a shit about them and their lives.
They know very well like the rest of the world that the only reason Bush sent your people over there is OIL. Period
But you just don't get it uh?
They made you believe it was for helping people, feeding little children, helping their economy, cause you are the paladin of justice, spreading your true democracy all around the world.
Let's cut the shit and tell us the true and maybe you'll have some respect.
And you should be thankfull those pictures have been pubblished, it's a sign that "true democracy" is still alive and kicking in your country.
God bless America and protect youfrom Bush and his greedy "friends".
Hahahahaha a STANDARD PRACTICE ?!!!!!!
Murder , rape and "Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees" and "with the approval of top ranking officers "
http://www.therevealer.org/archives/revealing_000355.php
you call that STANDARD PRACTICE ?!!!!!!!! REALLY INCREDIBLE TO READ THAT !
It IS CRIMINAL PRACTICE THAT IS NOW CONDEMNED BY INTERNATIONAL LAW SINCE WORLD WAR II WITH THE NAZIS !
YOU'RE DISGUSTING MAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With your reasoning the Nazis with their gas chamber are even kinder ! Jews were ennemies for them no ?
And indeed if they didn't want to inflame the region and provoke more terrorism... and for oil inflation ...
So next time America will pretend to battle terrorism THEY WILL BE RIDICULOUS NOW in front in international opinions not only the arab world but all the world !
Murder , rape and "Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees" and "with the approval of top ranking officers "
http://www.therevealer.org/archives/revealing_000355.php
you call that STANDARD PRACTICE ?!!!!!!!! REALLY INCREDIBLE TO READ THAT !
It IS CRIMINAL PRACTICE THAT IS NOW CONDEMNED BY INTERNATIONAL LAW SINCE WORLD WAR II WITH THE NAZIS !
YOU'RE DISGUSTING MAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With your reasoning the Nazis with their gas chamber are even kinder ! Jews were ennemies for them no ?
And indeed if they didn't want to inflame the region and provoke more terrorism... and for oil inflation ...
So next time America will pretend to battle terrorism THEY WILL BE RIDICULOUS NOW in front in international opinions not only the arab world but all the world !
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
This prison abuse "scandal" is getting out of hand. I suppose part of the problem is that most of the media, congress and public have never been in the military, much less a war zone and certainly not a military prison. I don't condone a few reservists taking trophy pictures of their days as prison guards in Iraq, but there is a serious lack of proportion here.
What exactly are people so upset about? That the prisoners are naked? That they are hooded in some cases? I hate to be the one to inform you naive people, but that is pretty much standard interrogation technique. That some of them maybe were wired? Would it "shock" you to learn that Special Forces troops have that done to them in training to prepare them for it?
Is it the sexual overtones? I think that was staged for humiliation purposes, again, a standard interrogation practice.
Let's face it. Without these pictures of grinning guards posing with prisoners, no one would give a hoot about any of this. In fact, I guarantee you worse goes on at Gitmo, just no pictures allowed.
How many of these congressmen who are shocked, shocked mind you, and outraged beyond belief, how many of them have done a thing to stop the epidemic of prisoner rape in our own prison system? How many of them have said a word about the abuse Americans experience in Mexican jails and prisons? How many of them are screaming about the abuse that Castro and the Chinese mete out to political prisoners? Certainly not Dem. Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi.
These prisoners were not being interrogated for amusement. They were picked up as insurgents and had valuable information that could save our soldiers' lives. Did mistakes happen? Of course, it is war. That is why it is not a good thing to have your country invaded and taken over by an enemy.
I am very disappointed that no one has the guts to stand up and say that this is unseemly, but hardly the human rights outrage it is being painted as.
As for Rumsfeld provoking more terrorim is fruitfull
http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd1101.html
the "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)"--will carry out secret missions designed to "stimulate reactions" among terrorist groups, provoking them into committing violent acts which would then expose them to "counterattack" by U.S. forces.
In other words--and let's say this plainly, clearly and soberly, so that no one can mistake the intention of Rumsfeld's plan--the United States government is planning to use "cover and deception" and secret military operations to provoke murderous terrorist attacks on innocent people. Let's say it again: Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the other members of the unelected regime in Washington plan to deliberately foment the murder of innocent people--your family, your friends, your lovers, you--in order to further their geopolitical ambitions.
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"This age: layers of lime harden in the sick son's blood... There's nowhere to run from the tyrant-epoch... Who else will you kill? Who else glorify? What other lies will you invent?"
Osip Mandelshtam,
"1 January 1924"
http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd1101.html
the "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)"--will carry out secret missions designed to "stimulate reactions" among terrorist groups, provoking them into committing violent acts which would then expose them to "counterattack" by U.S. forces.
In other words--and let's say this plainly, clearly and soberly, so that no one can mistake the intention of Rumsfeld's plan--the United States government is planning to use "cover and deception" and secret military operations to provoke murderous terrorist attacks on innocent people. Let's say it again: Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the other members of the unelected regime in Washington plan to deliberately foment the murder of innocent people--your family, your friends, your lovers, you--in order to further their geopolitical ambitions.
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"This age: layers of lime harden in the sick son's blood... There's nowhere to run from the tyrant-epoch... Who else will you kill? Who else glorify? What other lies will you invent?"
Osip Mandelshtam,
"1 January 1924"
Mistreatment of Prisoners Is Called Routine in U.S.
By FOX BUTTERFIELD - NY Times
Published: May 8, 2004
Physical and sexual abuse of prisoners, similar to what has been uncovered in Iraq, takes place in American prisons with little public knowledge or concern, according to corrections officials, inmates and human rights advocates.
In Pennsylvania and some other states, inmates are routinely stripped in front of other inmates before being moved to a new prison or a new unit within their prison. In Arizona, male inmates at the Maricopa County jail in Phoenix are made to wear women's pink underwear as a form of humiliation. ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/08/national/08PRIS.html?pagewanted=1&th
By FOX BUTTERFIELD - NY Times
Published: May 8, 2004
Physical and sexual abuse of prisoners, similar to what has been uncovered in Iraq, takes place in American prisons with little public knowledge or concern, according to corrections officials, inmates and human rights advocates.
In Pennsylvania and some other states, inmates are routinely stripped in front of other inmates before being moved to a new prison or a new unit within their prison. In Arizona, male inmates at the Maricopa County jail in Phoenix are made to wear women's pink underwear as a form of humiliation. ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/08/national/08PRIS.html?pagewanted=1&th
Quote from mark1:
Rofl even Iraqi understand your government don't give a shit about them and their lives.
They know very well like the rest of the world that the only reason Bush sent your people over there is OIL. Period
But you just don't get it uh?
They made you believe it was for helping people, feeding little children, helping their economy, cause you are the paladin of justice, spreading your true democracy all around the world.
Let's cut the shit and tell us the true and maybe you'll have some respect.
And you should be thankfull those pictures have been pubblished, it's a sign that "true democracy" is still alive and kicking in your country.
God bless America and protect youfrom Bush and his
greedy "friends".
OIL? Sure, we'll have some of it since these people are too dumb to take advantage of it in the first place. Iraq was one of the world's largest producers of oil under Saddam, and what have they got to show for it after all these years? Nothing but economic ruin because of two failed wars with Iran and Kuwait.
Yeah, we'll have some of the oil, why not. Fuck winning the hearts and minds of these whining, ungrateful, virgin loving, fanatical nitwits. We'll help ourselves to some of your oil, and we'll try to work with you economically like what we are doing with Qatar, Bahrain, Brunei, Kuwait and the other more progressive states in your neck of the woods. Either that or you can go back to living with your camels inside your tents.
By the way, 21 of those prisoners in the pictures were eventually killed. Not by coalition forces, but by Iraqi insurgents when they bombed the prison a few weeks after those pictures were taken.
Prison abuse? We're sorry, but war's a dirty job. Any way you look at it, it was more humane than dragging corpses of American civilians on the streets.
Suck it up and deal with it.
Quote from mark1:
Just have a look at the economy of USA in the last century.
Each time USA was involved in a war its economy recovered substantially.
Take a look at a chart and dates, it doesn't take a genius to see a clear pattern.
yeah yeah the same old conspiracy of a bunch of comunists......
Economic recovery? Are you out of your mind? The US is already billions of dollars in the hole because of this Iraqi project and is expecting to pour in billions more. I just wished that we had used only bombs and not live troops on this country. We could have just levelled this place and started over.