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On 2/13/07 at 8:06 PM Mark wrote:
>John Bryant <jbryant@lzy.net> wrote: Dear Mark:
>
>[J]I see that you are objecting to my position on pedophilia, but I am not
>entirely certain what your objection is. I will try to respond, however.
>
>To begin, your major argument, such as it is, is that you know pedo is
>wrong because you intuit (ie, 'feel in your heart') it to be so. Now that
>is interesting for two reasons. First, because it is reminiscent of old
>Potty Stewart's remark that he couldn't define pornography but he knew it
>when he saw it (ie, intuited it), and second -- and most importantly --
>because it is a confession that you have no rational argument in favor of
>your position, so you just have to take a Pascalian Leap of Faith and say
>it is wrong by intuition. Needless to say, the fact that you have
>abandoned rational argument in favor of just saying you know by intuition
>means that there is no way I can argue against you. That's a clever
>tactic, I suppose, if you can get anyone to buy into it. Perhaps the
>feminists would, since they think that women have a different way of
>knowing, and, of course, that way is intuition.
>
>[M]Thing is, Stewart's obsevation, though often ridiculed, is not really
>wrong. Can you say why a joke is funny, a book is good, or a painting is
>beautiful? Or do you just "know it when you see it"?
[J] Potty's position IS wrong, and that is because it proposes an intuitive standard dependent on Potty. You cannot have legal judgments based on intuitive standards, or else legal judgments become basically arbitrary. The whole point of having a written law in the first place is to let people know in advance what they can and cannot do legally. When the law is based on Potty's intuition, that is impossible.
>
>[M] I don't accept your description as "intuition". But I agree that we cannot
>resolve this with argument. Someone once said (it may have been Mr. Ed
>Steele) that there are no differing opinions, but rather only differences
>of what constitutes fact. To use a tired example, no pro-abortion person
>would ever advocate killing babies, and no anti-abortion person would deny
>a woman the right to make decisions about her body.
[J] Wrong. I advocate killing babies that are defective, unless the parents or other private persons want to take responsibility for such babies' welfare.
The arguments go on
>forever, but the only actual dispute is one of fact: the fetus is a human
>child, or it is not. So, is pedophilia a natural human attraction that has
>been suppressed by puritanical morality, or is it an unnatural and
>unhealthy weakness?
[J] Again, you miss the point, which is not whether pedo is 'good' or 'bad', but whether the Dad Gummit should regulate people's sex lives. The libertarian answer -- my answer -- is a resounding NO.
>
>Here's a true story about which I would like your input. When I was
>young, about 1970, I knew a 17-year -old fellow who deliberately
>deflowered as many 14-year-olds as he could. It was not especially
>difficult to con the young girls into giving in, and he was quite proud of
>himself. The rest of us thought he was horrible, and, although we too
>could have scored in the same way, none of us did. Now, that's not even
>pedophilia. But it's definitely not very nice. And I know for a fact that
>at least some of the girls felt used and cheap, and really regretted it.
[J] I don't see that it was a big deal. It was certainly not 'horrible'. I think casual sex is not a particularly good idea, and for the kids' sake, parents need to implant this idea, but, like shit, casual sex happens.
>
>I can't believe if the girls were 8, and the man was 60, there is any way
>they could be happy about it. But then, that's just me.
>
>[J] But there is another problem with your argument, which is that you claim
>the mantle of Western civilization for your intuition. This, however,
>seems clearly mistaken, because Western civilization has pulled ahead of
>all other civilizations by the fact that a fundamental element of that
>civilization is the dependence on rationality and scientific scrutiny.
>The Western tradition of rationality began with Socrates (the 'Socratic
>method') and Aristotle (logic), and continued in greater or lesser forms
>up thru the Middle Ages until it became thoroughly fixed in the traditions
>of Copernicus, Galileo, Bacon and Newton. In short, Western civilization
>has succeeded by REJECTING intuition IN FAVOR of rationality. So
>defending your position by the Potty Stewart method is strictly Argumentum
>No Workee.
Let's Get Real About Pedophilia!
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here's where my thinking starts and ends, pedophiles should be force fed their own testicles.
Oregon woman, 84, pleads guilty in boy's sex abuse case
By Associated Press
Feb 16, 2007 - 06:31:47 am PST
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- An 84-year-old woman accused of attempted rape involving an 11-year-old boy in her foster care has pleaded guilty to a lesser charge after confessing to having sex with the child, prosecutors said Thursday.
Georgie Audean Buoy, of The Dalles, a Columbia River town about 90 miles east of Portland, will serve 36 months in prison, said Leslie Wolf, chief deputy district attorney for Wasco County.
Buoy originally faced six separate charges but reached a plea agreement on a single charge, Wolf said.
She noted that Buoy had faced eight years in prison on the original charges but her "age and lack of prior criminal convictions had a significant impact with the resolution of this case."
In a taped confession, Buoy admitted having sex with the boy while he was in her care in 2004, Wolf said.
"Obviously, with this case, there is going to be a lot of disbelief so we wanted make sure people knew it was a confession," Wolf said.
She said that Buoy was a longtime member of the community and her church, and volunteered at the county jail. Church officials were not immediately available for comment. Buoy's attorney, Andrew Carter, also was not immediately available.
Buoy pleaded guilty Thursday to attempted sex abuse in Wasco County Circuit Court in The Dalles. She must register as a sex offender after serving her sentence at the Coffee Creek women's prison in Wilsonville.
Buoy also must pay $5,000 to the victim, as well as up to $7,500 in restitution for counseling.
Buoy will be the oldest female inmate in the Oregon corrections system, according to the Oregon Department of Corrections.
But there is a 93-year-old male inmate in the prison system, and a 72-year-old female inmate at Coffee Creek, officials said.
District Attorney Eric Nisley said it was the only case in his memory involving sexual abuse of a boy by an elderly woman -- but it was handled like any other case.
"When an adult victimizes a child, the sex of either partner is irrelevant -- the damage is done and it's permanent," Nisley said.
By Associated Press
Feb 16, 2007 - 06:31:47 am PST
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- An 84-year-old woman accused of attempted rape involving an 11-year-old boy in her foster care has pleaded guilty to a lesser charge after confessing to having sex with the child, prosecutors said Thursday.
Georgie Audean Buoy, of The Dalles, a Columbia River town about 90 miles east of Portland, will serve 36 months in prison, said Leslie Wolf, chief deputy district attorney for Wasco County.
Buoy originally faced six separate charges but reached a plea agreement on a single charge, Wolf said.
She noted that Buoy had faced eight years in prison on the original charges but her "age and lack of prior criminal convictions had a significant impact with the resolution of this case."
In a taped confession, Buoy admitted having sex with the boy while he was in her care in 2004, Wolf said.
"Obviously, with this case, there is going to be a lot of disbelief so we wanted make sure people knew it was a confession," Wolf said.
She said that Buoy was a longtime member of the community and her church, and volunteered at the county jail. Church officials were not immediately available for comment. Buoy's attorney, Andrew Carter, also was not immediately available.
Buoy pleaded guilty Thursday to attempted sex abuse in Wasco County Circuit Court in The Dalles. She must register as a sex offender after serving her sentence at the Coffee Creek women's prison in Wilsonville.
Buoy also must pay $5,000 to the victim, as well as up to $7,500 in restitution for counseling.
Buoy will be the oldest female inmate in the Oregon corrections system, according to the Oregon Department of Corrections.
But there is a 93-year-old male inmate in the prison system, and a 72-year-old female inmate at Coffee Creek, officials said.
District Attorney Eric Nisley said it was the only case in his memory involving sexual abuse of a boy by an elderly woman -- but it was handled like any other case.
"When an adult victimizes a child, the sex of either partner is irrelevant -- the damage is done and it's permanent," Nisley said.
Yep, WAKE-UP and PLATO2 are the same sick puppy.
RM suggested that he also posts under heymenth_b, and maybe a couple of others.
I asked him earlier why he posts under different usernames, sometimes within the same thread.
What I got as a response was... silence.
Check this one out - here he says that Hitler was a hero in WWII because he made the magnanimous offer to withdraw from most of Western Europe. PLATO2 doesn't explain how this could be seen as heroic considering he annexed these lands by murdering his way across Europe to begin with.
These details are not of concern for the most pathologically brainwashed, like PLATO2/WAKE-UP
oops.. looks like that thread was deleted.
christ, that's the sickest thing i've read in et so far. Pedophiles should be hung up by their balls and die -- pretty clear issue for me.
Don't et administrators have this guy's IP address? I wish someone would find out your location and post your "articles" around your neighborhood.... and see what you friendly community thinks of you. freakin bastard.
Don't et administrators have this guy's IP address? I wish someone would find out your location and post your "articles" around your neighborhood.... and see what you friendly community thinks of you. freakin bastard.
Yeah, and check out how he starts this thread under the username WAKE-UP and then responds to himself as the username PLATO2, as if PLATO2 were another person.
He also uses 4 other names here at ET, apparently
Gutless piece of shit.