Let us now hear from the Creationists
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what does that prove? we dont know it only happens on earth. have you explored other planets?
If you really want to start a scientific battle, then please cite your sources so that opponents and supporters don't have to waste time surfing the web.
klkent1
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I posted the conclusion of a rather lengthy article the references to which follow.__________________________________________
1.R. Lewontin 1972. The apportionment of human diversity. Evolutionary Biology 6: 381-398
M. Nei and A. K. Roychoudhury. 1982. Genetic relationship and evolution of human races. Evolutionary Biology 14: 1-59
Janczewski DN. Goldman D. O'Brien SJ. 1990. Molecular genetic divergence of orangutan (Pongo pygmaeus) subspecies based on isozyme and two-dimensional gel electrophoresis. Journal of Heredity 81: 375-387
Gibbons, A. 1995. The mystery of humanity's missing mutations. Science 267: 35-36.
Pult I, Sajantila A, Simanainen J, Georgiev O, Schaffner W, Paabo S. 1994. Mitochondrial DNA sequences from Switzerland reveal striking homogeneity of European populations. Biol Chem Hoppe Seyler 375: 837-840
Wood B. 1992. Origin and evolution of the genus Homo. Nature 355: 783-790.
Shreeve, J. 1996. New skeleton gives path from trees to ground an odd turn. Science 272: 654
McHenry H.M. 1994. Body size and proportions in early hominids. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America 91: 6780-6786.
Dean Falk. 1998. Hominid brain evolution: looks can be deceiving. Science 280: 1714
Conroy, G.C., G.W. Weber, H. Seidler, P.V. Tobias, A. Kane, and B. Brunsden. 1998. Endocranial capacity in an early hominid cranium from Sterkfontein, South Africa. Science 280: 1730-1731.
Eyre-Walker, A. & Keightley, P. D. 1999. High genomic deleterious mutation rates in hominids. Nature 397, 344-347.
R.L. Cann, M. Stoneking, A.C. Wilson. 1987. Mitochondrial DNA and human evolution. Nature 325: 31.
L. Vigilant, M. Stoneking, A.C. Harpending, K. Hawkes, A.C. Wilson. 1991. African populations and the evolution of human mitochondrial DNA. Science 253: 1503.
M. Hasegawa, S. Horai. 1991. Time of the deepest root for polymorphism in human mitochondrial DNA. J. Mol. Evol. 32: 37.
Stoneking M, Sherry ST, Redd AJ, Vigilant L. 1992. New approaches to dating suggest a recent age for the human mtDNA ancestor. Philos. Trans. R. Soc. Lond. B Biol. Sci. 337: 167-175.
Whitfield, L.S., J.E. Suston, and P.N. Goodfellow. 1995. Sequence variation of the human Y chromosome. Nature 378: 379-380.
S. Paabo. 1995. The Y chromosome and the origin of all of us (men). Science 268: 1141.
R.L. Dorit, H. Akashi, W. Gilbert. 1995. Absence of polymorphism at the ZFY locus on the human Y chromosome. Science 268: 1183.
Hammer, M.F. 1995. A recent common ancestry for human Y chromosomes. Nature 378: 376-378.
Tishkoff, S.A., E. Dietzsch, W. Speed, A.J. Pakstis, J.R. Kidd, K. Cheung, B. Bonn-Tamir, A.S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, P. Moral, M. Krings, S. Paabo, E. Watson, N. Risch, T. Jenkins, and K.K. Kidd. 1996. Global patterns of linkage disequilibrium at the CD4 locus and modern human origins. Science 271: 1380-1387.
Fischman, J. 1996. Evidence mounts for our African origins - and alternatives. Science 271: 1364.
G. and B. Rannala. 1998. Using rare mutations to estimate population divergence times: A maximum likelihood approach. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 95: 15452-15457.
Seidler H, Falk D, Stringer C, Wilfing H, Muller GB, zur Nedden D, Weber GW, Reicheis W, and Arsuaga JL. 1997. A comparative study of stereolithographically modeled skulls of Petralona and Broken Hill: implications for future studies of middle Pleistocene hominid evolution. J. Hum. Evol. 33:691-703.
Schwartz, J.A. and I. Tattersall. 1996. Significance of some previously unaccompanied apomorphies in the nasal region of Homo neandertalensis. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 93: 10852-10854.
Laitman, J.T., J.S. Reidenberg, S. Marquez, and P. J. Gannon. 1996. What the nose knows: New understandings of Neanderthal upper respiratory tract specializations. Proceedings of txe National Academy of Science USA 93: 10543-10545.
Clarke, T. 2001. Relics: Early modern humans won hand over fist. Nature.
Niewoehner, W. A. 2001. Behavioral inferences from the Skhul/Qafzeh early modern human hand remains. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Ramirez, F. V., R. and J. Maria Bermudez de Castro. 2004. Surprisingly rapid growth in Neanderthals. Nature 428: 936-939 doi:10.1038/nature02428.
Holden, C. 1999. A New Look Into Neandertals' Noses. Science 285: 31-33.
Krings, M., A. Stone, R. W. Schmitz, H. Krainitzki, M. Stoneking, and S. Paabo. 1997. Neandertal DNA Sequences and the Origin of Modern Humans. Cell 90: 19-30.
Ovchinnikov, I.V., A. Gotherstrom, G. P. Romanovak, V. M. Kharitonov, K. Liden, and W. Goodwin. 2000. Molecular analysis of Neanderthal DNA from the northern Caucasus. Nature 404: 490-493.
Krings, M., C. Capelli, F. Tschentscher, H. Geisert, S. Meyer, A. von Haeseler, K. Grossschmidt, G. Possnert, M. Paunovic, and S. Pääbo. 2000. A view of Neandertal genetic diversity Nature Genetics 26: 144-146.
Schmitz, R. W., Serre, D., Bonani, G., Feine, S., Hillgruber, F., Krainitzki, H., Pääbo, S. & Smith, F. H. 2002. The Neandertal type site revisited: Interdisciplinary investigations of skeletal remains from the Neander Valley, Germany. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 99: 13342-13347
Stringer, C. B. and R. Mackie. 1996. African Exodus: the Origin of Modern Humanity. Cape, London.
Adcock, G.J., E.S. Dennis, S. Easteal, G.A. Huttley, L.S. Jermiin, W.J. Peacock, and A. Thorne. 2001. Mitochondrial DNA sequences in ancient Australians: Implications for modern human origins. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 98: 537-542
Bowler, J. M., Johnston, H., Olley, J. M., Prescott, J. R., Roberts, R. G., Shawcross, W., and Spooner, N. A. 2003. New ages for human occupation and climatic change at Lake Mungo, Australia. Nature 421: 837-840.
Caramelli, D., C. Lalueza-Fox, C. Vernesi, M. Lari, A. Casoli, F. Mallegnii, B. Chiarelli, I. Dupanloup, J. Bertranpetit, G. Barbujani, and G. Bertorelle. 2003. Evidence for a genetic discontinuity between Neandertals and 24,000-year-old anatomically modern Europeans. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 100: 6593-6597.
Foley R. 1998. The context of human genetic evolution. Genome Res 8:339-347.
Klein, R.G. 1992. Evolutionary Anthropology 1: 5-14.
Balter, M. 1999. Restorers reveal 28,000-year-old artworks. Science 283: 1835.
Simon, C. 1981. Stone-age sanctuary, oldest known shrine, discovered in Spain. Science News 120: 357.
Bower, B. 1986. When the human spirit soared. Science News 130: 378-379.
Clark, G.A. 1999. Highly visible, curiously intangible. Science 283: 2029-2032.
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Not being a scientist, scholar or lawyer, is this what you want?
klkent1
____________________________________________
I posted the conclusion of a rather lengthy article the references to which follow.__________________________________________
1.R. Lewontin 1972. The apportionment of human diversity. Evolutionary Biology 6: 381-398
M. Nei and A. K. Roychoudhury. 1982. Genetic relationship and evolution of human races. Evolutionary Biology 14: 1-59
Janczewski DN. Goldman D. O'Brien SJ. 1990. Molecular genetic divergence of orangutan (Pongo pygmaeus) subspecies based on isozyme and two-dimensional gel electrophoresis. Journal of Heredity 81: 375-387
Gibbons, A. 1995. The mystery of humanity's missing mutations. Science 267: 35-36.
Pult I, Sajantila A, Simanainen J, Georgiev O, Schaffner W, Paabo S. 1994. Mitochondrial DNA sequences from Switzerland reveal striking homogeneity of European populations. Biol Chem Hoppe Seyler 375: 837-840
Wood B. 1992. Origin and evolution of the genus Homo. Nature 355: 783-790.
Shreeve, J. 1996. New skeleton gives path from trees to ground an odd turn. Science 272: 654
McHenry H.M. 1994. Body size and proportions in early hominids. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America 91: 6780-6786.
Dean Falk. 1998. Hominid brain evolution: looks can be deceiving. Science 280: 1714
Conroy, G.C., G.W. Weber, H. Seidler, P.V. Tobias, A. Kane, and B. Brunsden. 1998. Endocranial capacity in an early hominid cranium from Sterkfontein, South Africa. Science 280: 1730-1731.
Eyre-Walker, A. & Keightley, P. D. 1999. High genomic deleterious mutation rates in hominids. Nature 397, 344-347.
R.L. Cann, M. Stoneking, A.C. Wilson. 1987. Mitochondrial DNA and human evolution. Nature 325: 31.
L. Vigilant, M. Stoneking, A.C. Harpending, K. Hawkes, A.C. Wilson. 1991. African populations and the evolution of human mitochondrial DNA. Science 253: 1503.
M. Hasegawa, S. Horai. 1991. Time of the deepest root for polymorphism in human mitochondrial DNA. J. Mol. Evol. 32: 37.
Stoneking M, Sherry ST, Redd AJ, Vigilant L. 1992. New approaches to dating suggest a recent age for the human mtDNA ancestor. Philos. Trans. R. Soc. Lond. B Biol. Sci. 337: 167-175.
Whitfield, L.S., J.E. Suston, and P.N. Goodfellow. 1995. Sequence variation of the human Y chromosome. Nature 378: 379-380.
S. Paabo. 1995. The Y chromosome and the origin of all of us (men). Science 268: 1141.
R.L. Dorit, H. Akashi, W. Gilbert. 1995. Absence of polymorphism at the ZFY locus on the human Y chromosome. Science 268: 1183.
Hammer, M.F. 1995. A recent common ancestry for human Y chromosomes. Nature 378: 376-378.
Tishkoff, S.A., E. Dietzsch, W. Speed, A.J. Pakstis, J.R. Kidd, K. Cheung, B. Bonn-Tamir, A.S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, P. Moral, M. Krings, S. Paabo, E. Watson, N. Risch, T. Jenkins, and K.K. Kidd. 1996. Global patterns of linkage disequilibrium at the CD4 locus and modern human origins. Science 271: 1380-1387.
Fischman, J. 1996. Evidence mounts for our African origins - and alternatives. Science 271: 1364.
G. and B. Rannala. 1998. Using rare mutations to estimate population divergence times: A maximum likelihood approach. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 95: 15452-15457.
Seidler H, Falk D, Stringer C, Wilfing H, Muller GB, zur Nedden D, Weber GW, Reicheis W, and Arsuaga JL. 1997. A comparative study of stereolithographically modeled skulls of Petralona and Broken Hill: implications for future studies of middle Pleistocene hominid evolution. J. Hum. Evol. 33:691-703.
Schwartz, J.A. and I. Tattersall. 1996. Significance of some previously unaccompanied apomorphies in the nasal region of Homo neandertalensis. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 93: 10852-10854.
Laitman, J.T., J.S. Reidenberg, S. Marquez, and P. J. Gannon. 1996. What the nose knows: New understandings of Neanderthal upper respiratory tract specializations. Proceedings of txe National Academy of Science USA 93: 10543-10545.
Clarke, T. 2001. Relics: Early modern humans won hand over fist. Nature.
Niewoehner, W. A. 2001. Behavioral inferences from the Skhul/Qafzeh early modern human hand remains. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Ramirez, F. V., R. and J. Maria Bermudez de Castro. 2004. Surprisingly rapid growth in Neanderthals. Nature 428: 936-939 doi:10.1038/nature02428.
Holden, C. 1999. A New Look Into Neandertals' Noses. Science 285: 31-33.
Krings, M., A. Stone, R. W. Schmitz, H. Krainitzki, M. Stoneking, and S. Paabo. 1997. Neandertal DNA Sequences and the Origin of Modern Humans. Cell 90: 19-30.
Ovchinnikov, I.V., A. Gotherstrom, G. P. Romanovak, V. M. Kharitonov, K. Liden, and W. Goodwin. 2000. Molecular analysis of Neanderthal DNA from the northern Caucasus. Nature 404: 490-493.
Krings, M., C. Capelli, F. Tschentscher, H. Geisert, S. Meyer, A. von Haeseler, K. Grossschmidt, G. Possnert, M. Paunovic, and S. Pääbo. 2000. A view of Neandertal genetic diversity Nature Genetics 26: 144-146.
Schmitz, R. W., Serre, D., Bonani, G., Feine, S., Hillgruber, F., Krainitzki, H., Pääbo, S. & Smith, F. H. 2002. The Neandertal type site revisited: Interdisciplinary investigations of skeletal remains from the Neander Valley, Germany. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 99: 13342-13347
Stringer, C. B. and R. Mackie. 1996. African Exodus: the Origin of Modern Humanity. Cape, London.
Adcock, G.J., E.S. Dennis, S. Easteal, G.A. Huttley, L.S. Jermiin, W.J. Peacock, and A. Thorne. 2001. Mitochondrial DNA sequences in ancient Australians: Implications for modern human origins. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 98: 537-542
Bowler, J. M., Johnston, H., Olley, J. M., Prescott, J. R., Roberts, R. G., Shawcross, W., and Spooner, N. A. 2003. New ages for human occupation and climatic change at Lake Mungo, Australia. Nature 421: 837-840.
Caramelli, D., C. Lalueza-Fox, C. Vernesi, M. Lari, A. Casoli, F. Mallegnii, B. Chiarelli, I. Dupanloup, J. Bertranpetit, G. Barbujani, and G. Bertorelle. 2003. Evidence for a genetic discontinuity between Neandertals and 24,000-year-old anatomically modern Europeans. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 100: 6593-6597.
Foley R. 1998. The context of human genetic evolution. Genome Res 8:339-347.
Klein, R.G. 1992. Evolutionary Anthropology 1: 5-14.
Balter, M. 1999. Restorers reveal 28,000-year-old artworks. Science 283: 1835.
Simon, C. 1981. Stone-age sanctuary, oldest known shrine, discovered in Spain. Science News 120: 357.
Bower, B. 1986. When the human spirit soared. Science News 130: 378-379.
Clark, G.A. 1999. Highly visible, curiously intangible. Science 283: 2029-2032.
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Not being a scientist, scholar or lawyer, is this what you want?
im quoting from a book....take it up with them if they are shooting these facts out their rear....but im sure they being scientist and all would know a little more than you and according to them in our solar system it only happens on earth......not that i believe everything i read..im just quoting ..and posting what thunder wanted...evidence or clues for a designer..thats all...if you wish to participate...find out if the statement they made is false till then lets take their word over yours...cool?
i believe i am safe in assuming that no living scientist has explored the universe for plate tectonics.
ok...but assuming doesnt do us any good...so i will go with them on this...when you have done proper reasearch to negate their statement...please do chime in.. THUNDER???? talk to us boobey
and they said solar system.....im using ur science against you, you cant just pick and choose which part of science you want to believe.....im going to quote scientist from here on out...so as to prove that science cant prove our origin....
when you put up a good argument i will properly respond. please don't use christian creation scientists as your only source. they aren't intellectually honest in most cases.
Equally, evidence of a limited number of old bones can never falsify the theory of evolution of the species.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. You don't need to go through all that work. Just post the link to the text that you find online.
FYI: I did find Mr. Deem's site and I've located the source of your content. Just trying to set some reasonable ground rules that we're not all chasing each other's tails.
Wait, we don't have tails, just a little vestigial tip at the end of the spine.