Let-Em-All-Die

[quote="DHOHHI, post: 4062477, member: 16595"]Actually homelessness would be a lesser problem if we didn't have so MANY government handouts where people develop expectations of such. I have family that went through the depression .. did they expect the government to pay their living expenses? Nope. They worked that much harder to keep their heads above water and later flourished due to work ethic. As an example .. Food Stamps were NEVER meant to be the sole source of groceries. Yet people today expect just that .. they bitch about not getting MORE.[/quote]




Ummm. No.
 
Resort areas have long had these kinds of laws. Otherwise, they'd have people sleeping on the sidewalks, in cars, on the beach, etc.

I will note that there are some homeless that are in a temporary situation and simply need a hand-up to improve their situation. These are the ones that eventually improve their situation and IMO we should focus our benefit efforts on.

However most of the long-term homeless have mental issues. Most prefer to sleep on the streets instead of a shelter. I will use Toronto as an example of this. Toronto is a city where there is available government shelters and food for all homeless people. There are many homeless people sleeping in the downtown streets who have obvious mental problems - they refuse to go to shelters (usually converted hotels). On very cold nights, the cops go around and try to urge the homeless to go to these shelters (even if just for one night), but the homeless rather sleep on a grate and reject a warm room.
 
[quote="DHOHHI, post: 4062477, member: 16595"]Actually homelessness would be a lesser problem if we didn't have so MANY government handouts where people develop expectations of such. I have family that went through the depression .. did they expect the government to pay their living expenses? Nope. They worked that much harder to keep their heads above water and later flourished due to work ethic. As an example .. Food Stamps were NEVER meant to be the sole source of groceries. Yet people today expect just that .. they bitch about not getting MORE.




Ummm. No.[/quote]

So we'll agree to disagree. I see people, parents of kids I volunteer with, who are more than happy to get their Section 8 housing, Medicaid, Food Stamps, utility bill subsidies and go through life and not have to work. Sad but true ... not for all, but more more people than you might expect. No one ... not a single person should get government assistance without having to do something in return. I don't care if it's picking up litter on the side of the road. And every US adult should pay some federal and state income taxes .. even those who live off the government.

You're "Ummm, no" answer doesn't have any data to support it. If people were forced to get off their asses we'd have a lot less people who show no motivation to work. Able bodied adults should get limited help for a limited period of time.
 
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Chef, 90, faces jail, fines for feeding the homeless
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By Zachary Fagenson

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Arnold P. Abbott, president of the Maureen A. Abbott Love Thy Neighbor Fund, Inc.


MIAMI (Reuters) - For decades, 90-year-old Arnold Abbott has hauled pans filled with roast chicken and cheese-covered potatoes onto a south Florida beach park to feed hundreds of homeless people.

For his good deeds, Abbott finds himself facing up to two months in jail and hundreds of dollars in fines after new laws that restrict public feeding of the homeless went into effect in Fort Lauderdale earlier this year.

“I’ve been fighting for the underdog all my life, so this is nothing new,” Abbott said.

He was first cited last Sunday, along with two clergymen and a volunteer from his nonprofit, Love Thy Neighbor.

On Wednesday, several police cars waited for Abbott at a downtown Fort Lauderdale park, and officers pulled aside the frail man, clad in a white chef’s coat, soon after the first plates were ready to be served.

“The ordinance does not prohibit feeding the homeless; it regulates the activity in order to ensure it is carried out in an appropriate, organized, clean and healthy manner,” Fort Lauderdale Mayor John P. Seiler said in a statement.

Abbott moved to Florida from Massachusetts in 1970 and was a civil rights activist and wholesale jewelry salesman. He and his wife first began feeding the homeless on their own in 1979. He started the foundation and feeding full time in 1991 after his wife died, in a tribute to her memory.

The dispute highlights a debate between two schools of homeless rights activists: Those who argue that banning public feeding criminalizes the homeless, and others who say feeding and panhandling helps keep them on the street.

Since January 2013, 21 cities across the country have passed laws restricting public feedings and 10 more have similar rules under consideration, according to an October report from the National Coalition to the Homeless. Nationwide, at least 57 cities have limited or banned public feeding.

"One of the reasons these kinds of ordinances are being embraced is that this is what cities can do without spending money,” said Jerry Jones, the coalition’s executive director.

A widely agreed-upon solution - giving the longtime homeless beds as they work their way into treatment programs - is too costly for many municipalities that struggle with homelessness.

But advocates for the homeless say that ignores the costs of not addressing the issue in a compassionate way.

“What’s the cost if somebody presents themselves five times annually to an emergency room?” asked Ron Book, a high-profile Florida lobbyist who chairs Miami-Dade County’s Homeless Trust with a tax-backed, $55 million budget.

90-Year-Old Vet Arrested For Feeding Homeless Will Hand Out Christmas Eve Dinner
 
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