Lessons learned from a losing trade: NFLD

I am not necessarily suggesting you use options across the board. But adding them as hedges to these very speculative plays can cut down overnight gap losses significantly while allowing you to be right on the upside without a profit cap.

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Thanks for the tip. The way I trade is to trade two swing systems , long, only. I "hedge" through shorting ETFs when the market is extended. Options is ...an option. I need to see if it would have improved the returns of my system 1, which are pretty good without options : 2002 =+18% (Test) - 2003 + =+70% (test) - 2004 = +10% (Test) - 2005 = +47% (Actual) - 2006 = +48% (Actual).
 
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I am not necessarily suggesting you use options across the board. But adding them as hedges to these very speculative plays can cut down overnight gap losses significantly while allowing you to be right on the upside without a profit cap.

Thanks, Optioncoach. I am definitely going to study the possibility of optioning the high risk stocks I buy. And biotech stocks qualify as high risk ! This business is all about learning and improving.
I appreciate your suggestion and I am going to include this "safety net" in my backtesting.
 
I am sorry to hear of your loss, but all things considered you faired better than most. I stringly suggest you learn about collars and married puts.

If you had a collar on the stock, you would have perhpas lost nothing. Options are a little intimidating at first to learn, but they are really powerful tools.

Thinkorswim has a list of reading on their "affliates" area of their web site that has many great books to chose from.
Linda
 
Why is it that every time someone seeks options advice, people keep recommending married puts or collars. Those two score pretty high on the worthless strategies list.
 
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Why is it that every time someone seeks options advice, people keep recommending married puts or collars. Those two score pretty high on the worthless strategies list.

Why do you say that, rallymode?
 
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Why do you say that, rallymode?

If you want to play a news event with options, especially FDA plays, your best bet is using short calendars. Long gamma, short vega. Much better expectancy than anything else you can put on.

You are doing nothing with those collars or protective puts but paying -edge and commissions in addition to the gamble you have already taken by playing the ticker. Anyone who recommends this ahead of FDA announcements should not be listened to.
 
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If you want to play a news event with options, especially FDA plays, your best bet is using short calendars. Long gamma, short vega. Much better expectancy than anything else you can put on.

You are doing nothing with those collars or protective puts but paying -edge and commissions. Anyone who recommends this ahead of FDA announcements should not be listened to.

OK> My goal is not to make money on the options, as much as protecting my capital invested in stocks. Also, I keep stocks only for a few days, like 2 to 5.
 
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OK> My goal is not to make money on the options, as much as protecting my capital invested in stocks. Also, I keep stocks only for a few days, like 2 to 5.

ACM, fair enough. My comment wasnt addressed at you. If you have a swing system that plays tickers 2 to 5 days, that's great, i would say avoid stocks with big news as i doubt you can find a worthwhile way to factor news such as FDA announcements into your system. Increase in implied vols would be your giveaway.

Good luck
 
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I just wanted to report my trade on NFLD. (swing trades 2-5 days)
I bought 800 shares of NFLD on Monday at 15.01 (10% of the capital allocated to my system 1).
Tuesday afternoon, there was a quick drop of 10%. Looking at the news, I saw that NFLD was going to have an unplanned teleconference that evening. The stock continued to plunge. I sold 400 shares at 12.52. Continued to plunge. I was able to sell the other 400 shares at 10.51 ! NFLD closed at 11.42. I was quite upset ! It was my biggest loss this year, 24%.
But, the teleconference was bad news and the stock opened Wednesday morning at 5.81 ! As we speak the stock is at 4.31 !
Lessons learned:
1.Everything is possible, especially with biotech companies = limited exposure on individual stocks.
2.Take your losses as quickly as possible: Very difficult to do when you see the bids dropping like a rock.
3. No revenge trade. I was tempted to buy back at the open at 5.81. Now at 4.31, it is an additional 25% loss.

Somewhat that "bad" trade felt like a winner because I could have lost much more, if I had been stubborn.

What's done is done. If you like higher risk swing trades, as I do, take a look at DDSS. It should make a move in 2-3 weeks. No options available on this one. PPS is 5.90 with limited downside IMO. Do your own DD of course.
 
Rally you should not jump to any conclusions. This guy is a STOCK trader as evidence by his 800 share bet on NFLD. SInce he uses stock I made the suggestion that he add a put hedge for the riskier bio-tech plays.

You are suggesting that he do reverse calendars and disucss greek terms he is not familiar with when he made it clear he knows very little about options.

So you need to put the advice i the context it is being given before making a blanket recommendation that is inapprioriate.

He did not seek option advice here, he made a general stock comment and I offered a hedge since he uses stock. This was not an option post but a stock trading post.


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Why is it that every time someone seeks options advice, people keep recommending married puts or collars. Those two score pretty high on the worthless strategies list.
 
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