'Left vs. Right' or 'Freedom vs. Tyranny'?

Which dichotomy is more important to you?

  • Left vs. Right

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • Freedom vs. Tyranny

    Votes: 21 87.5%
  • Not sure/don't know/both about the same

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    24
Quote from CaptainObvious:

[. Truer words have never been spoken as we suffer the tyranny of phoney patriotism .
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"What’s motivating religious conservatives now, says Campolo, is a vision of America as God’s own special country, and free-market capitalism as crucial to the nation’s flourishing. Everyone who doesn’t see things this way, according to this perspective, is a socialist or a communist—“Pinkos who are subverting America under the auspices of the president of the United States,” he says. “The marriage between evangelicalism and patriotic nationalism is so strong that anybody who is raising questions about loyalty to the old, laissez-faire capitalist system is ex post facto unpatriotic, un-American, and by association non-Christian.” Support for Obama, in other words, equals an abandonment of American principles equals godlessness. And the spokesman for this movement, adds Campolo, is the Fox News commentator Glenn Beck. “There’s no question in our minds about that.”
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/12/09/one-nation-under-god.html
 
Quote from trendlover:

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"What’s motivating religious conservatives now, says Campolo, is a vision of America as God’s own special country, and free-market capitalism as crucial to the nation’s flourishing. Everyone who doesn’t see things this way, according to this perspective, is a socialist or a communist—“Pinkos who are subverting America under the auspices of the president of the United States,” he says. “The marriage between evangelicalism and patriotic nationalism is so strong that anybody who is raising questions about loyalty to the old, laissez-faire capitalist system is ex post facto unpatriotic, un-American, and by association non-Christian.” Support for Obama, in other words, equals an abandonment of American principles equals godlessness. And the spokesman for this movement, adds Campolo, is the Fox News commentator Glenn Beck. “There’s no question in our minds about that.”
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/12/09/one-nation-under-god.html

To conclude ANYTHING about "Beck and God/religion" is an intentional misdirect.

What's FACT... is that he's correct about the rest.

His detractors don't get it. He's very intelligent... plus he and his staff support whatever claims they make with research..... not unsupported, partisan accusations... RESEARCH!

IF (Big IF) America survives this takeover thrust by the Socialist/Communist radicals, we will all owe Beck a great debt of gratitude.

Anyone who is anti-Beck is either a greedy, brain-dead partisan or has his head up his ass. When the history of this time is written (presuming Freedom lovers and Patriots prevail), Beck will go down as a great American hero.
 
LOL I nominate this for quote of the year on Elite, it took him a full year but he finally posted something so over the top that anyone left not questioning his sanity might want to start thinking about their own. :D


Quote from Scataphagos:


IF (Big IF) America survives this takeover thrust by the Socialist/Communist radicals, we will all owe Beck a great debt of gratitude.

.......When the history of this time is written (presuming Freedom lovers and Patriots prevail), Beck will go down as a great American hero.
 
Quote from Hello:

LOL I nominate this for quote of the year on Elite, it took him a full year but he finally posted something so over the top that anyone left not questioning his sanity might want to start thinking about their own. :D
No argument there.
 
Quote from trefoil:

As I'm pretty sure this is a result of the drug war, I do have a pretty good idea what goes on, although thankfully no one I know has been affected by it, yet.
I'm for the legalization of all drugs, period. As far as I'm concerned, this whole drug war thing is a stupid mistake that has to end.
As for me, I keep as far away from law enforcement as I can. I have no illusions not only about what they can do, but about which side my fellow citizens will take in any his word vs mine confrontation in a court of law.
But there's no defense against the fact that citizens will take the word of a cop over that of a defendant. As far as I know, it's an unavoidable risk of a jury system.
The fact they're allowed to confiscate everything an accused person in a drug case owns is a travesty, and a trampling of the Constitution. That's something that needs to be struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
For some reason I'm not too in tune with, Americans walk around in fear all the time. This country overall is by far one of the safest places to live there is; my house has no alarms, we almost never lock any of the doors, and pretty much the only thing between us and a burglar is one very tame 40 pound mutt who's more likely to lick a burglar to death than anything else.
But very large portions of the population live in deathly fear of some weird bogeyman coming along and taking all they have. That fear is what makes things like the Patriot Act and the crap done under the guise of the drug war possible. I don't know how you exorcise that out of this country. I think part of it comes from too many nights watching pro-fascist shows like Cops and Twenty Four.

Thanks for keeping an open mind about it!
 
Thanks for the input Rearden. I have read through quite a few of your threads. You sound like an interesting guy. Your stance on prohibition parallels my own. Since I don't want to get my blood pressure rising too much, I will try to keep my comments brief.

Prohibition of what substances we are allowed to put into our bodies is antithetical to the concept of liberty. This one issue speaks volumes about this country.

America is nothing like the free society that we purport to be. We incarcerate more of our citizens than any other country, yet we call ourselves the "Land of the Free." What a fucking misleading marketing ploy.

While I may enjoy illicit substances from time to time, my views have nothing to do with these experiences. In fact, I would say drugs, in aggregate, contribute to a lower quality of life for many people.

The concept of banning them, however, and incarcerating those who defy this edict, is tyranny by the government over citizens.

Extrapolating from this one example, and assessing how the logic behind prohibition could/is being applied to broader issues, one comes to the realization that any true patriot should be a fervent opponent of the "War on Drugs."
 
Quote from Garbage Can Ray:

Thanks for the input Rearden. I have read through quite a few of your threads. You sound like an interesting guy. Your stance on prohibition parallels my own. Since I don't want to get my blood pressure rising too much, I will try to keep my comments brief.

Prohibition of what substances we are allowed to put into our bodies is antithetical to the concept of liberty. This one issue speaks volumes about this country.

America is nothing like the free society that we purport to be. We incarcerate more of our citizens than any other country, yet we call ourselves the "Land of the Free." What a fucking misleading marketing ploy.

While I may enjoy illicit substances from time to time, my views have nothing to do with these experiences. In fact, I would say drugs, in aggregate, contribute to a lower quality of life for many people.

The concept of banning them, however, and incarcerating those who defy this edict, is tyranny by the government over citizens.

Extrapolating from this one example, and assessing how the logic behind prohibition could/is being applied to broader issues, one comes to the realization that any true patriot should be a fervent opponent of the "War on Drugs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

which side instituted the patriot act, the tsa, warrentless wiretaps?
republicans dreamed all this crap up. i know that obama has gone right along with it but he didnt start it.

Biden himself draws parallels between his 1995 bill and its 2001 cousin. "I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill," he said when the Patriot Act was being debated, according to the New Republic, which described him as "the Democratic Party's de facto spokesman on the war against terrorism."
 
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