leaving a paying job to day trade-experienced day traders please help

Quote from xdiesel123x:

I have been studying technicals and the markets for 6 years. I have paid for my school of trading.

I have worked at a major financial institution where the minimum comission is 100 for 4 years and so swing trading and trading in general is a waste of time unless you are trading for more than 20,000 and I do not unless for clients.

I have been practicing paper trading intra day and am very confident I can make a living.

I usually practice trading while in the middle of talking to clients or doing something and I have 1 question on that. So I am thinking I will actually do better with my only focus on trading when the time comes?

I can use the chart and the bid ask spread and action to kind of get a guage for the stocks direction

Also I have three strategies that work for me and I have been paper trading them along with postion size strategies and averaging in and out of trades. I started scalping for 10 cents and thats it but as I got comfortable I have been letting trades ride for longer .25 or .5 cents. I am also pretty good at taking losses (mostly because where I trade if the stock trades much further below or above it generally means the trade is not going to work so I look to exit immediately)

My question is that armed with a strategy and having spent time keeping records of my paper trades including commissions and having positive numbers(legit) is it possible to make decent money the first year out?

I hear about people coming out of college or with no experience losing their shirt. I just cant see this happening to me...especially because I have traded stock in my own account and others and know how to emotionally lose money...


very bad news for you, this is not the time for newbie day traders to enter the market especially scalpers. Volume has pretty much been dead for the whole year, liquidity is at an all time low. Every day seems to be a holiday trading session this year, don't do it, hold back until favorable conditions exist for your success
 
Quote from MohdSalleh:

very bad news for you, this is not the time for newbie day traders to enter the market especially scalpers. Volume has pretty much been dead for the whole year, liquidity is at an all time low. Every day seems to be a holiday trading session this year, don't do it, hold back until favorable conditions exist for your success


I have to disagree. This year has been very supportive of daytrading. Both long and shorts generally revert nicely to the mean, and most anything with volume over 500K/day is trading penny spreads. The VIX is still at a level decent enough to support some intraday moves, without getting so crazy that it will shake out new traders. This is nearly an ideal environment to be trading stocks. Anybody with half a brain could have made nice profits since march just watching for weakness and throwing a dart.
 
Quote from BPtrader:

it will take 4-5 years of whole-hearted effort to succeed, not the half-hearted, part-time, hobby-like, swing-trading or investing type of playing.

i don't know about u, but most people don't have what it takes.

Nobody wants to hear it but it's the TRUTH!

There is a damn good reason why many fail in this business.

Paper trading for a few months means only that you have found an edge in the market. Finding an edge is pretty simple and quite often done.

The real question is can you control your emotions when you have real money on the line? Most cannot and that is why most fail miserably in trading.

Psychology is the most overlooked aspect of trading yet it is the most important to succeed.

The only way your going to find out if you can make it in this business is if you start trading a small account with real money. If your day job does not allow this then maybe day trading is not for you. Find a good broker and start taking on longer term positions.

When traded correctly a daily chart can provide just as much profits as a 30 min chart!

I hope you slow down a bit and decide to keep your job in the meantime while you prove to yourself that you can profit in the markets. There are far too many things against you to put the odds in your favor.
 
Quote from craig:

Paper trading for a few months means only that you have found an edge in the market. Finding an edge is pretty simple and quite often done.

That is a vast untruth. Edges are almost impossible to find and most paper traders trip over something they MISTAKE for an edge.

An edge is over 10 times harder than controlling emotions or anything else. Almost every new trader is doing little more than going to Vegas and letting it ride on the Roulette Wheel.

They may get lucky for a little while, but the more you play, the more the House Edge grinds you down.
 
Quote from TraderZones:

That is a vast untruth. Edges are almost impossible to find and most paper traders trip over something they MISTAKE for an edge.

An edge is over 10 times harder than controlling emotions or anything else. Almost every new trader is doing little more than going to Vegas and letting it ride on the Roulette Wheel.

They may get lucky for a little while, but the more you play, the more the House Edge grinds you down.

Hmmmmm.....

How come i could give a proven winning system to a new trader put it on the table and explain everything to him/her walk away and i will bet a $100 bill on it every time they will still lose??

I stand my ground an edge means nothing!
 
Quote from craig:

Hmmmmm.....

How come i could give a proven winning system to a new trader put it on the table and explain everything to him/her walk away and i will bet a $100 bill on it every time they will still lose??

I stand my ground an edge means nothing!

While what you say is true, finding or creating that proven winning system is the hardest part of trading. I am still a noob but that part is at least clear as day to me.
 
Quote from mindtrade:

finding or creating that proven winning system is the hardest part of trading.

Once you find it, you will understand that it is not.

There are many winning systems out there. The problem is that most new traders only try them out until they get a few losers, they then throw that method/system in the trash upset that it was not the "Holy Grail" and move on to the next never spending enough time and research to master one trading style.

Most of the traders out there that have a winning system/method have spent thousands of hours mastering it and making it their own.
 
Quote from craig:

Once you find it, you will understand that it is not.

There are many winning systems out there. The problem is that most new traders only try them out until they get a few losers, they then throw that method/system in the trash upset that it was not the "Holy Grail" and move on to the next never spending enough time and research to master one trading style.

Most of the traders out there that have a winning system/method have spent thousands of hours mastering it and making it their own.

Fair enough! My journey continues hopefully with success :)
 
Quote from craig:

Once you find it, you will understand that it is not.

There are many winning systems out there. The problem is that most new traders only try them out until they get a few losers, they then throw that method/system in the trash upset that it was not the "Holy Grail" and move on to the next never spending enough time and research to master one trading style.

Most of the traders out there that have a winning system/method have spent thousands of hours mastering it and making it their own.

it is easy to see you have little clue about trading. Your claim contradicts the overwhelming opinion here on ET.

tell you what. it is so easy, make an edge, and then put it out on one of the following trade auditing sites ---> Timertrac.com, covestor.com, Collective2.com, theta research, striker securities, attain capital, futures truth or one of the other auditing sites and show us how easy an edge is to make.

Or, start a thread here on ET, "the edge is the easy part" under the trading category, and see what kind of responses you get.
 
Quote from xdiesel123x:

Thanks for the imput. Unfortunatley it will be impossible for me to day trade with real money. I can only swing trade for real money and I am good at that. The only reason why I dont make real money doing it is that the fees are 100 dollars or so each way to trade and I simply cant buy enough shares with my bp for it to make sense.(that doesnt even figure in for the restrictions) For my clients; I make them money on 70% of the trades and know when to take losses.

How long did it take you trading full time to know whether or not you could make money?

I will have 6 months of living expenses, trading capital and will use my credit cards for the second 6 months if I have to...I can get a part time job if I need to at nights to help pay the bills

is that enough? What do you recommend


any other help would be appreciated

THE FIRST PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TRADING CAPITAL TO GO FULL TIME. IF YOU CAN'T MAKE A LIVING ON WHAT YOU ARE EARNING NOW, YOU NEED TO STICK WITH THE MONEY MAKER UNTIL YOU CAN BUILD UP ENOUGH CQAPITAL TO WORK WITH. YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE MASSIVE LOSSES UNTIL YOU MAKE A PROFIT. IT IS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU CAN MAKE AS IT IS HOW CONSISTENT YOUR MONEY MAKING IS!1
 
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