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To the Covidiots like Jem that intentionally are ignorant to the fact that the American Academy of Pediatrics, Children's Hospitals Association, Statista, CDC, The White House...

Does in fact know how many Pediatric Covid Hospitalizations, Pediatric Covid ICU admissions, and Pediatric Covid Deaths (very rare) of the nation's children are for each state and each individual Children's Hospital. They even keep track of how many children had to be flown from one hospital to another hospital for Covid treatment.
  • Strangely, I think Jem recently stated there have only been 2 Children Covid hospitalizations or Covid Deaths in San Diego. Obviously, he knows San Diego itself is keeping track of its own Pediatric statistics.
In fact, many states are dependent upon those statistics to know what funding is needed and the number of equipment is needed for proper Pediatric medical care. Yet, a few states have been trying to hide their Pediatric Covid statistics. That's OK because the individual hospitals under the Children's Hospitals Association maintain weekly statistics for every state in the United States of America. :D
  • I expect Jem to double down that they do not know.
Children and COVID: New cases soar to near-record level
Publish date: August 24, 2021

Weekly cases of COVID-19 in children jumped by nearly 50% in the United States, posting the highest count since hitting a pandemic high back in mid-January, a new report shows...
Weekly Covid Cases United States as of August 19th

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Arkansas as of August 11th

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I mention Arkansas above only because a friend of mine lives in Arkansas (just moved there a few months ago to be closer to his mom & dad)...his daughter is 14 years old and she spent 3 weeks in the ICU with a serious Covid respiratory infection.

Tough times right now in North America and the Covidiots that continue with their denial of what's going on with our children in the hospital are the worst of the worst types of individuals...ignorant about the dangers from the Delta Variant.

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Covid vaccine: Why jabs should give us protection from serious illness for years, despite ‘waning immunity’
Given what we know about other viruses many experts believe there is reason to think that immunity from Covid could last for up to a couple of years at least – and possibly decades.
https://inews.co.uk/news/health/cov...ess-immunity-explained-1167095?ito=smart-news

How long immunity from Covid-19 lasts following a vaccine has been one of the main questions everyone wants answered, yet finding a definite answer is difficult.

The latest study to attempt to do so concluded that the protection provided by two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech and the Oxford/AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccines starts to wane within six months.

Scientists behind the Zoe Covid Study app said that the Pfizer jab was 88 per cent effective at preventing Covid-19 infection a month after the second dose but after five to six months the protection decreased to 74 per cent. With the AstraZeneca vaccine, there was a protection against infection of 77 per cent one month after the second dose but after four to five months, protection decreased to 67 per cent.

If the findings are accurate then the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI), which advises the Government, will be under further pressure to support a booster campaign ahead of winter when case numbers are expected to rise further. It is expected to make an announcement in days on whether the UK will press ahead with booster jabs for 30 million people over the age of 50 and the clinically vulnerable.

However, a claim by Zoe’s King’s College London researchers that immunity levels will hit around 50 per cent by Christmas is not based on any robust analysis of data, and seems “more like a finger in the air prediction”, another leading scientist has said.

Dr Simon Clarke, Associate Professor in Cellular Microbiology at the University of Reading, said: “Immunity is a complex process and we cannot assume people’s immunity will fade at a uniform rate over time.

“However other, more robust data from other studies shows that while double vaccinated individuals are well protected against infection, and even better protected against serious disease, their level of immunity differs between individuals, and does dissipate over time.”

Given what we know about other viruses many experts believe there is reason to think that immunity from Covid could last for up to a couple of years at least.

A study by scientists at the La Jolla Institute of Immunology in California, published last November, found that eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness. The data showed that a slow rate of decline in the short term suggests that these cells may persist in the body for potentially decades.

The study group for the Moderna vaccine reported in April that participants in an ongoing clinical trial had high levels of antibodies six months after their second dose, while a study of almost 6,000 people who had recovered from infection, published in the journal Immunity, found that antibodies were still present in their blood five to seven months after illness.

At any rate, antibodies are only one part of our immune system with immunity determined by other factors such as T and B cell memory – which some studies estimate could last for years.

JCVI member Professor Adam Finn has pointed out that the “main objective” of the vaccine is to offer good protection against serious illness, which we know they do thanks to the success of vaccination programmes around the world.

“I think the Zoe study, and a couple of other studies we recently had, do show the beginnings of a drop off of protection against asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic disease. But other studies are showing maintenance of good protection against serious illness and hospitalisation,” he said.

“So that’s encouraging actually that people who’ve had two doses are still very much well protected against serious illness, which is our main objective. But we do need to watch out very carefully to see if this waning begins to translate into occurrence of more severe cases because then boosters will be needed.”

Health Secretary Sajid Javid has said the UK will have a booster scheme which will start “some time in September” but whether it is just for the clinically vulnerable or more widespread remains to be seen. Professor Finn said that offering a third jab to people who have impaired immunity should not be seen as a booster but an attempt to “get them to be protected or better protected than they already are with the two doses”.
 
who would read all your posts,no time

anyway goes well with your post just above, waning vaccines prospect of booster shot FOREVER
something to ponder about

reader wants information that helps him to analyze what is what , i did not read your article,it can happen
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Your article is comprised of mostly speculation... albeit by experts.
Hopefully they are correct... but real time data will be important going forward.

Without a lot of data its going to difficult to determine if healthy immune systems are improved by the jab. Many of the low risk fight of these variants easily anyway.


And it will be very interesting to see if the unhealthy have any long term immunity to severe covid without boosters.



gwb-trading said:
Covid vaccine: Why jabs should give us protection from serious illness for years, despite ‘waning immunity’
Given what we know about other viruses many experts believe there is reason to think that immunity from Covid could last for up to a couple of years at least – and possibly decades.
https://inews.co.uk/news/health/cov...ess-immunity-explained-1167095?ito=smart-news

How long immunity from Covid-19 lasts following a vaccine has been one of the main questions everyone wants answered, yet finding a definite answer is difficult.

The latest study to attempt to do so concluded that the protection provided by two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech and the Oxford/AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccines starts to wane within six months.

Scientists behind the Zoe Covid Study app said that the Pfizer jab was 88 per cent effective at preventing Covid-19 infection a month after the second dose but after five to six months the protection decreased to 74 per cent. With the AstraZeneca vaccine, there was a protection against infection of 77 per cent one month after the second dose but after four to five months, protection decreased to 67 per cent.

If the findings are accurate then the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI), which advises the Government, will be under further pressure to support a booster campaign ahead of winter when case numbers are expected to rise further. It is expected to make an announcement in days on whether the UK will press ahead with booster jabs for 30 million people over the age of 50 and the clinically vulnerable.

However, a claim by Zoe’s King’s College London researchers that immunity levels will hit around 50 per cent by Christmas is not based on any robust analysis of data, and seems “more like a finger in the air prediction”, another leading scientist has said.

Dr Simon Clarke, Associate Professor in Cellular Microbiology at the University of Reading, said: “Immunity is a complex process and we cannot assume people’s immunity will fade at a uniform rate over time.

“However other, more robust data from other studies shows that while double vaccinated individuals are well protected against infection, and even better protected against serious disease, their level of immunity differs between individuals, and does dissipate over time.”

Given what we know about other viruses many experts believe there is reason to think that immunity from Covid could last for up to a couple of years at least.

A study by scientists at the La Jolla Institute of Immunology in California, published last November, found that eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness. The data showed that a slow rate of decline in the short term suggests that these cells may persist in the body for potentially decades.

The study group for the Moderna vaccine reported in April that participants in an ongoing clinical trial had high levels of antibodies six months after their second dose, while a study of almost 6,000 people who had recovered from infection, published in the journal Immunity, found that antibodies were still present in their blood five to seven months after illness.

At any rate, antibodies are only one part of our immune system with immunity determined by other factors such as T and B cell memory – which some studies estimate could last for years.

JCVI member Professor Adam Finn has pointed out that the “main objective” of the vaccine is to offer good protection against serious illness, which we know they do thanks to the success of vaccination programmes around the world.

“I think the Zoe study, and a couple of other studies we recently had, do show the beginnings of a drop off of protection against asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic disease. But other studies are showing maintenance of good protection against serious illness and hospitalisation,” he said.

“So that’s encouraging actually that people who’ve had two doses are still very much well protected against serious illness, which is our main objective. But we do need to watch out very carefully to see if this waning begins to translate into occurrence of more severe cases because then boosters will be needed.”

Health Secretary Sajid Javid has said the UK will have a booster scheme which will start “some time in September” but whether it is just for the clinically vulnerable or more widespread remains to be seen. Professor Finn said that offering a third jab to people who have impaired immunity should not be seen as a booster but an attempt to “get them to be protected or better protected than they already are with the two doses”.
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jem said:
Your article is comprised of mostly speculation... albeit by experts.
Hopefully they are correct... but real time data will be important going forward.

Without a lot of data its going to difficult to determine if healthy immune systems are improved by the jab. Many of the low risk fight of these variants easily anyway.


And it will be very interesting to see if the unhealthy have any long term immunity to severe covid without boosters.
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Yes, I will agree that this article is speculation. They will need hard data over time to back it up --- which will require proper studies over time to collect data. It is clear that antibody immunity wanes over months after vaccination (this was expected) -- hence the need for boosters to prevent infection. Also for people who are immunocompromised the antibodies from vaccination wane quickly -- which pushes them to the front of the list for boosters.

None of this is unexpected since it mirrors the results of studies of those who were naturally infected. In many -- especially those who are immunocompromised or had a very mild case -- the natural antibody immunity fades within 6 months to a level where the individual can easily be infected again.
 
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your last sentence is a purposeful misrepresentation of natural immunity..
we may have other types of immunity as well. Natural immunity for some or many could last for years as it does with other types of viruses.

Many people may never have even "bothered" to create detectable antibodies because they were immune via T Cells Killer Cells or cross immunity and you expect almost all would still be immune.

(arguing T cell immunity is not immunity is just semantics... if you don't get sick that is good enough)

gwb-trading said:
Yes, I will agree that this article is speculation. They will need hard data over time to back it up --- which will require proper studies over time to collect data. It is clear that antibody immunity wanes over months after vaccination (this was expected) -- hence the need for boosters to prevent infection. Also for people who are immunocompromised the antibodies from vaccination wane quickly -- which pushes them to the front of the list for boosters.

None of this is unexpected since it mirrors the results of studies of those who were naturally infected. In many -- especially those who are immunocompromised or had a very mild case -- the natural antibody immunity fades within 6 months to a level where the individual can easily be infected again.
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jem said:
your last sentence is a purposeful misrepresentation of natural immunity..
we may have other types of immunity as well. Natural immunity for some or many could last for years as it does with other types of viruses.

Many people may never have even "bothered" to create detectable antibodies because they were immune via T Cells Killer Cells or cross immunity and you expect almost all would still be immune.

(arguing T cell immunity is not immunity is just semantics... if you don't get sick that is good enough)
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Immunity implies that you do not get the disease and spread it to others. This is only provided via anti-body immunity. Break-through cases are normally associated with low anti-body levels.

T-Cell response may help you from getting severely ill but it does not stop infection. Just not getting severely sick is not "good enough" -- the intent is to not get infected and not to infect others which is what herd immunity is based on.
 
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