Larry Williams Innocent!!!
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Quote from cosmokramer:
PROOF??! LMAfOF
Another genius, from elite.
Duh, owe 220k of personal STATE taxes/2009 = what income???
DUH !!!
You make any "rich" lists in your zip code?
PS--this is if the 20 acre estate in one of the most expensive zips in USA doesn't tell you what you need to know already....
it doesn't say anything. maybe it is cumulative from prior years. I guess
"DUH" is the most expansive word in your vocabulary.
Tell me, Good SurfyBoy, how pleading guilty to 3 charges makes Mr Williams "innocent"?
Yer a real crackup, Davy!
Hey, Michael Jackson was also innocent. And don't forget O.J.
I have not followed this case and do not know the details. However, in today's justice system, pleading guilty to charges to avoid jail time as opposed to even the possibility of being found guilty by a jury is rational behavior. See http://www.fhsulaw.com/CM/LegalArti...tences-Tempt-the-Innocent-to-Plead-Guilty.asp, and the difference in sentencing of Jeffrey Skilling and Andrew Fastow.
Since Larry Williams is going without jail time and "will pay a slight fine", I say basically "not guilty". Larry gets to go home, and the prosecutor gets a "win". win-win all around. If he was truly guilty, in todays atmosphere they would have thrown the book at him.
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Tell me, Good SurfyBoy, how pleading guilty to 3 charges makes Mr Williams "innocent"?
Yer a real crackup, Davy!
No Mr Gibbous, you are the crackup because it is quite obvious that you are very naive about how the US "Justice" (sic) system works.
If you want to learn what really happens in the vast majority of criminal prosecution cases, I suggest you buy yourself a copy of "The Tyranny of Good Intentions" by Paul Craig Roberts and read it before displaying your ignorance on a public forum.
Prosecutors make the decision to try a case based on their probability of obtaining a conviction, and the question of guilt or innocence is not part of the equation. Take a look at the San Diego DA web page and you'll find they brag about a 94% conviction rate. Think about what that means. Does it mean that 100% of the people who were indicted were guilty and 94% of them were convicted? Or does it mean that 94% of the defendants were convicted regardless of whether they were guilty or innocent? I think you will find that the second option is the correct answer, and unless you are a strong advocate of fascism, you should find that conclusion a little frightening.
Larry was indicted on 9 felony accounts and all were dropped. Do you think the DA would have dropped them if he thought he had a strong chance of obtaining a conviction on even one of them? Hardly. Larry only agreed to the minor misdemeanor charges because it was the most expedient way to get the case settled. Considering the severity of the original indictment, it's clear that Larry was not guilty of any of the charges. The DA agreed to the minor misdemeanor plea bargain mainly to cover his own butt. He wasted a huge amount of taxpayer money pursuing the case, so he had to have something to show for it. He will count this as a "conviction" in his own book even though it's obvious he failed to prove his original allegations.
Fortunately for Larry, he had the resources to keep the wolves at bay. However, I personally know of some other cases where people exhausted all their financial resources including retirement savings to avoid being sent to prison for false charges. Want to guess how much of their legal expenses were reimbursed after the charges were dismissed?
Just pray you never make an innocent mistake and draw a DA's attention. You would be in for a very nasty wake-up call on how our criminal "justice" system really works.
Davy, please read the title of your thread again and tell me how a plea bargain and dropped charges amounts to "being found innocent"?
He plead guilty to something as basic as "failure to report income". How is that "innocent"?
Some charges were dropped. Is that innocent?
That LW is guilty or not is strictly speculation by both of us. What is not in doubt is that the DA did not feel he had a strong enough case to pursue all charges. That was the only point of my post. Other than...you really still are a crackup DG!
AgSurfer, It is pointless to show reason to Mr. Gibbous. After all, DA says so and so is guilty, so it must be so.
<i>"Larry was indicted on 9 felony accounts and all were dropped. Do you think the DA would have dropped them if he thought he had a strong chance of obtaining a conviction on even one of them?"
"That LW is guilty or not is strictly speculation by both of us. What is not in doubt is that the DA did not feel he had a strong enough case to pursue all charges."</i>
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I have no opinion on Larry Williams beyond a healthy suspicion towards all 'gurus' of his ilk. I just need to correct a common misperception about the 'Justice' system: <b>Just because someone is charged with a felony (or nine), doesn't mean the prosecutor has any intention or desire to stick the defendant with a felony conviction.</b>
If the prosecutor's goal from day one is to obtain a misdemeanor conviction, the <b>easiest</b> way for him/her to obtain a misdemeanor guilty plea is to first charge the defendant with some trumped up felony charge, and then 'compromise' down to a misdemeanor- which was always the goal to begin with. That's just standard procedure (and I learned this the hard way, btw).
"That LW is guilty or not is strictly speculation by both of us. What is not in doubt is that the DA did not feel he had a strong enough case to pursue all charges."</i>
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I have no opinion on Larry Williams beyond a healthy suspicion towards all 'gurus' of his ilk. I just need to correct a common misperception about the 'Justice' system: <b>Just because someone is charged with a felony (or nine), doesn't mean the prosecutor has any intention or desire to stick the defendant with a felony conviction.</b>
If the prosecutor's goal from day one is to obtain a misdemeanor conviction, the <b>easiest</b> way for him/her to obtain a misdemeanor guilty plea is to first charge the defendant with some trumped up felony charge, and then 'compromise' down to a misdemeanor- which was always the goal to begin with. That's just standard procedure (and I learned this the hard way, btw).