Larry Elder....really?

Correct...

I find myself to be an old school liberal now.

I believe Reagan's ideas were only a blip in the history of the GOP and its reverted to is former self... with a pocket of a few people with good ideas. Its back to the party of the Bushes and Rockefellers.


so its a choice of neo socialism / crony capitalism vs... crony capitalism and mostly garbage (with a pocket of a few people with good ideas on both sides.)

The tax payers and workers of this country really don't have any representation in D.C. ( I would guess that its about 80% of the country though most fall for the bullshit platitudes coming out of the leadership and media.)


Reagan was closeted and an economic disaster. Tripled the debt in two terms without a war.
 
You're cherry picking quotes. I'd love to see the full context. Obviously, he's not making the argument that descendants of former slave owners deserve reparations. He's just making a point that the issues of reparations is absurd. So much so that you could argue the opposite.


I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but re reading it over and over he says "their legal property was taken away from them" He did not say that as an opposite absurd argument but something he believes factually.

He then said that if you want to push for reparations for slaves then you should also give reparations to slave owners. It was not a comment that reparations are so absurd why not give it to everyone.... Elder is a lawyer so language matters... he clearly said if you are going to give it to Black people then also give it to slave owners since their property was taken away from them.

You see how he prefaces his comments with "Slavery was legal" so he believes that if reparations are going to be pushed for, then the slave owners deserve restitution to.

It does not matter if you believe reparations are absurd you can simply say that.... to then develop the legal argument that slave owners should be entitled as well shows us where his though process is...
 
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I find myself to be an old school liberal now.

I believe Reagan's ideas were only a blip in the history of the GOP and its reverted to is former self... with a pocket of a few people with good ideas. Its back to the party of the Bushes and Rockefellers.


so its a choice of neo socialism / crony capitalism vs... crony capitalism and mostly garbage (with a pocket of a few people with good ideas on both sides.)

The tax payers and workers of this country really don't have any representation in D.C. ( I would guess that its about 80% of the country though most fall for the bullshit platitudes coming out of the leadership and media.)

What is this nonsense?

Trumpism runs the GOP and RNC. It’s nothing but culture wars. There is no Bush and Rockefeller power anymore - those types are called RINOs.

You guys seem to fall back on this argument that Americans don’t have any representation in DC as a fallback when the facts are aired out about conservatism.

The truth issues like the minimum wage, healthcare, worker safety, childcare, education have all been abandoned by republicans, not democrats. Democrats are actually trying to push through a massive middle class relief bill right now. And if it gets through millions of real working families all across America are going to feel it.
 
What do you think about a DeSantis / Elder in the U.S. Presidential Election or maybe a Trump / Elder ?

Hmmm...the more I think about it...I think a Trump / Elder 2024 U.S. Presidential Election will piss off a large part of the Trumpers. :D

P.S. Trump / Pence is no longer a team after Trump told Pence he's no longer his friend. :rolleyes:

P.S.S. I'm really just glad that the Kardashians didn't get into the Governor's office of California via Caitlyn Jenner. That would be fucked up.

wrbtrader


I think Pence noticed all the "Hang Pence" chants on Jan 6th from trump supporters while his family was in the capitol being rushed out.....Pence might be the only GOP happy trump lost so he can get as far away from his as possible.
 
Two decades of economic boom after Reagan.
Tax Revenues went up after Reagan.

Soviet Union fell in part due to his policies including the promise of star wars... putting the power in Gorbachevs hands instead of the generals.

Spending is D.C problem independent of Reagan.

Inflation is a Money Creation and in circulation problem...not necessarily a US Govt overspending problem.Borrowing should not lead to systemic inflation.

Why would you give two shits if Reagan was closeted?
His closet is his deal... not mine.



Reagan was closeted and an economic disaster. Tripled the debt in two terms without a war.
 
The ride is coming to an end. Elder would have at least tried to right the ship.

The fact that you believe a Governor was going to walk in and suddenly fixed waelth income disparities as a GOP no less show a teeny tiny bit of naivete...

If hte GOP is pushing for tax breaks for the wealthy and protecting big businesses how was Elder going to come in magically eliminate wealth disparities and bring companies back to CA?? How.... by giving companies major tax breaks and social welfare to lure them back to CA? trump made the smae promises and where exactly are all those business coming back to the U.S. to pay higher taxes and labor costs?

Politicians dont give a shit about wealth disparity and income issues... they just want to get elected.
 
Correct...

I find myself to be an old school liberal now.

We need more old school liberals in some areas.

Exhibit A would be to address the serious re-segregation and race-based structuring of society that the progressives have implemented. The lefties think that anyone who opposes it does so because they are conservative. In truth it is repugnant to generations of liberals- or should be.

Opposing government spying on citizens is another area.

I could name twelve more but I will keep it short. You already know them and I am not running a remedial course for the selfie generation.
 
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I think Pence noticed all the "Hang Pence" chants on Jan 6th from trump supporters while his family was in the capitol being rushed out.....Pence might be the only GOP happy trump lost so he can get as far away from his as possible.

Pence (a former radio talk show host and lawyer) is back in Indiana thinking...

What in the fuck was I thinking. :D

wrbtrader
 
The fact that you believe a Governor was going to walk in and suddenly fixed waelth income disparities as a GOP no less show a teeny tiny bit of naivete...

If hte GOP is pushing for tax breaks for the wealthy and protecting big businesses how was Elder going to come in magically eliminate wealth disparities and bring companies back to CA?? How.... by giving companies major tax breaks and social welfare to lure them back to CA? trump made the smae promises and where exactly are all those business coming back to the U.S. to pay higher taxes and labor costs?

Politicians dont give a shit about wealth disparity and income issues... they just want to get elected.
I just want people to pay their fair share
Why do the bottom 50% who earn 11.6% of income only pay 2.6% of taxes
The top 1% earn 21% of income and pay 40% of taxes...This is ok..They are paying more then their fair share

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