Larry Elder....really?

[Bugenhagen]

1861, April 12
Civil War begins as Confederate forces fire on Fort Sumter

The South gave up negotiating for a settlement. The British colonies did not.

 

[Mercor]

Incorrect.

Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in those states in rebellion. Congress freed the rest later.

Good point

Its also notable that the Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order that would only hold while Lincoln was president...To make it law the Congress had to make a new amendment
(This is the proper use of an EO)

 

[El OchoCinco]

You make up facts because you have no legitimate response

Freeing slaves was about changing them from property laws rights to citizen rights (13th amendment)
After the 13th amendment ex-slaves were full citizens and not property
It took 3 amendments to get former slaves full citizenship protections and it was Reconstruction that the federal government used to try to provide a fair system in the South

Unfortunately the Democratics eventually won the Jim Crow war and ever since has worked to keep the former slaves and their descendants under the boot of Government

You just changed the subject when you want to cover up that you are advocating that slave owners should have been paid for losing their property.. I did not say it... you did...

here is your quote:

MERCOR "The USA in effect applied Eminent Domain without compesation"

o..k....

Those poor slaveowners according to Mercor

 

[El OchoCinco]

Incorrect.

Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in those states in rebellion. Congress freed the rest later.

My point was the EP was not about property which Mercor claims they were and thus slaveowners should have been paid for loss of property. As did Elder who cares not about what he says.

That is why I highlighted the word PERSON

 

[El OchoCinco]

You should watch the movie Lincoln. When Lincoln is debating the emancipation proclamation with his cabinet is an amazing legal analysis. Lincoln struggles with the idea of property in the form of humans but as commander in chief he has the legal authority to seize all property for the necessity of war. And it is under this legal power that the emancipation proclamation held legal.

But the EP did not seize any assets, it freed the slaves in those specific states. In all fairness seccession states no longer wanted to be part of the Union so did not really recognize the EP most likely which is why the 13th Amendment was the true act. EP was just a fuck you to the slave states fighting the U.S.

Did not really bind those states as they most likely did not free anyone while their Grey were fighting to keep the slaves...

 

[El OchoCinco]

There was actually loads of attention put on age in the last election.

It worked in Trump's favor and he held up in that regard.

Biden did not but covid and Jim Clyburn rescued him.

Bernie and his age got looked over plenty too. It worked against him at times- especially after the heart attack- but he mostly redeemed himself through stamina on the trail. Joe, nope. His handlers arranged his election for him. At no point did he overcome his personal limitations.

trump and biden are 3 years apart in their late 70s right now.... neither of them have the high ground on the age issue... Man Person Television or whatever did not change the fuck trump was as much a stuttering fuck as biden is now except Biden actually stutters.

 

[Mercor]

You just changed the subject when you want to cover up that you are advocating that slave owners should have been paid for losing their property.. I did not say it... you did...

here is your quote:

MERCOR "The USA in effect applied Eminent Domain without compesation"

o..k....

Those poor slaveowners according to Mercor

Its a legal thought not a moral one...but you seek the hate angle always

 

[UsualName]

Good point

Its also notable that the Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order that would only hold while Lincoln was president...To make it law the Congress had to make a new amendment
(This is the proper use of an EO)

No. Once they were freed they were free. No going back. See below.

But the EP did not seize any assets, it freed the slaves in those specific states. In all fairness seccession states no longer wanted to be part of the Union so did not really recognize the EP most likely which is why the 13th Amendment was the true act. EP was just a fuck you to the slave states fighting the U.S.

Did not really bind those states as they most likely did not free anyone while their Grey were fighting to keep the slaves...

The legal rationale was in war the government can seize property of private citizens for war purposes (this how Robert E.Lee’s estate became Arlington National Cemetery) and once the seized property became the US government’s they had the power to free them.

It’s really an ethical and moral dilemma for Lincoln at the time.

 

[Snarkhund]

But the EP did not seize any assets, it freed the slaves in those specific states. In all fairness seccession states no longer wanted to be part of the Union so did not really recognize the EP most likely which is why the 13th Amendment was the true act. EP was just a fuck you to the slave states fighting the U.S.

Did not really bind those states as they most likely did not free anyone while their Grey were fighting to keep the slaves...

The thinking by the end of the war was that slave owners were not to be compensated because they supported a rebel government that attacked the USA. That was the price they paid as well as losing the better part of a generation of young men.

 

[userque]

The thinking by the end of the war was that slave owners were not to be compensated because they supported a rebel government that attacked the USA. That was the price they paid as well as losing the better part of a generation of young men.

While we wait for your source:

"... Some black Southerners aided the Confederacy. Most of these were forced to accompany their masters or were forced to toil behind the lines. Black men were not legally allowed to serve as combat soldiers in the Confederate Army--they were cooks, teamsters, and manual laborers. There were no black Confederate combat units in service during the war and no documentation whatsoever exists for any black man being paid or pensioned as a Confederate soldier, although some did receive pensions for their work as laborers. ..."
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/black-confederates-truth-and-legend

Shocking! Impossible! ... the slaves were forced to do stuff by their masters and the White confederate army.