large study finds that (hydroxy)chloroquine killing more than it "cures"

you may want to read the reason for the retraction.
Yeah, fraud. Lancet should have never published it. The confidentiality spin was just as fraudulent as the study. So the authors knowingly used data that cannot analyzed by anyone else. In other words, it couldn't even be peer-reviewed. Hence, it was fraud.
 
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If you have hydroxy and zinc studies... which you think look solid... lets see them.
and don't tell me to find them myself...

you said study after study... it should be easier for you..
i just did a google search and did not see a good one.



Yes.... and medical study after medical study shows hydroxychloroquine in combination with any other drugs including zinc or zpaks is not an effective treatment or preventative for COVID-19.
 
Once again Hydroxychloroquine proven to be completely worthless as a preventative treatment for COVID-19...

Hydroxychloroquine didn’t prevent Covid-19 in the first large study using the most reliable way of testing a drug’s effectiveness, researchers found.

Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:10 PM EST
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html

The study was the first controlled clinical trial of a drug that President Trump has repeatedly promoted and recently taken himself.

Conducted in the United States and Canada, this trial was the first to test whether the drug could prevent illness in people who have been exposed to the coronavirus.

Malaria Drug Promoted by Trump Did Not Prevent Covid Infections, Study Finds
The first carefully controlled trial of hydroxychloroquine given to people exposed to the coronavirus did not show any benefit.

The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine did not prevent Covid-19 in a rigorous study of 821 people who had been exposed to patients infected with the virus, researchers from the University of Minnesota and Canada are reporting on Wednesday.

The study was the first controlled clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine, a drug that President Trump has repeatedly promoted and recently taken himself. Conducted in the United States and Canada, this trial was the first to test whether the drug could prevent illness in people who have been exposed to the coronavirus. This type of study, in which patients are picked at random to receive either an experimental treatment or a placebo, is considered the most reliable way to measure the safety and effectiveness of a drug. The participants were health care workers and people who had been exposed at home to ill spouses, partners or parents.

“The take-home message for the general public is that if you’re exposed to someone with Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine is not an effective post-exposure, preventive therapy,” the lead author of the study, Dr. David R. Boulware, from the University of Minnesota, said in an interview.

The results are published in The New England Journal of Medicine.

“If we could find something that would ameliorate infection, block it or make it milder after a solid exposure, that would be quite wonderful,” said Dr. Judith Feinberg, the vice chairwoman for research in medicine at West Virginia University. “What we want to do is limit the number of cases. There was great hope riding on this.”

The president’s promotion of the drug, and the backlash against it, have politicized medical questions that would normally have been left to researchers to answer objectively. Trump supporters and opponents have accused one another of twisting facts about the drug to make the president look either right, or wrong.

But Mr. Trump has not stopped touting the drug’s potential benefits. On Sunday, his administration announced that it was sending 2 million doses of the drug to Brazil, to treat patients and help prevent infection in health care workers. A White House official said the two countries would collaborate on research into its use.

Early in the pandemic, the drug's use was spurred by anecdotal reports from China and France of patients who seemed to improve and laboratory findings of a possible antiviral effect. With no proven treatment for Covid-19, doctors have been desperate to give severely ill patients some kind of therapy.

Data from more recent studies have been called into question in the last week, furthering debates over the drug’s role in trials around the world. On Wednesday, the World Health Organization said it would resume trials it had temporarily suspended over the issues raised about data used in a study in the Lancet.

Interest in the drug surged after Mr. Trump began advocating it. It is approved to treat rheumatoid arthritis and lupus, as well as malaria, and is considered safe for those patients as long as they do not have underlying abnormalities in their heart rhythm.

Studies in very ill coronavirus patients have linked the drug — especially when combined with the antibiotic azithromycin — to dangerous heart-rhythm disorders, and both the Food and Drug Administration and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases have warned that it should not be used outside of clinical trials or carefully monitored conditions in a hospital.

Some researchers say that safety concerns about the drug have been overblown, alarming the public and making it difficult to recruit participants for the studies needed to determine whether the drug has any value for treatment or prevention.

The new study included 821 people from across the United States and parts of Canada who had a either a high-risk or moderate-risk exposure to a person who had tested positive and was ill from the coronavirus. None of the participants had symptoms themselves. High-risk exposure meant they were less than six feet from a patient for more than ten minutes, with neither a mask nor a face shield. Moderate risk meant they wore a mask, but no face shield.

About 88 percent had high-risk exposures.

The participants, recruited online, ranged in age from 33 to 50, with a median age of 40. About half were women, and 66 percent of the total were health care workers. They were healthy and had no underlying health problems that would have made hydroxychloroquine dangerous for them. Most of the rest had been exposed at home, to an infected spouse, partner or parent.

Within four days of exposure, the participants were picked at random to receive either hydroxychloroquine or a placebo, and then followed to determine whether they had either laboratory-confirmed Covid-19 or an illness consistent with the virus, during the next 14 days.

The drug or placebos were mailed to them, and they then reported their symptoms online to the researchers, who did not examine them.

Not all the participants could be tested for the virus, because when the study was being conducted, there was still a shortage of test kits.

There was no meaningful difference between the placebo group and those who took the drug. Among those taking hydroxychloroquine, 49 of 414, or 11.8 percent, became ill. In the placebo group, 58 or 407, or 14.3 percent, became ill. Analyzed statistically, the difference between those rates was not significant.

The drug also did not make the illness any less severe.

Side effects like nausea from hydroxychloroquine were more common than from placebos, 40.1 percent compared with 16.8 percent, but there were no problems with heart rhythm or any other serious adverse effects.

Infectious disease experts who were not part of the study said it was well done and answered an important question, though the results were disappointing.

Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University, said: “This was a large, randomized controlled trial done by very good people. Hydroxychloroquine did not provide a notable advantage.”

Noting that the drug had shown some ability to prevent the virus from infecting cells in laboratory studies, Dr. Schaffner said, “Unfortunately that did not translate into a beneficial effect in preventing the development of illness.”

The study did not address the question of whether hydroxychloroquine can prevent coronavirus infection if people take it before they are exposed to a sick patient. That possibility is being studied in other clinical trials involving health care workers and emergency medical technicians and other emergency medical workers.

At a Senate hearing on the F.D.A.’s oversight of foreign drug manufacturing on Tuesday, Democrats criticized the agency for its decision in March to give an emergency use authorization to hydroxychloroquine.

“The F.D.A., in my view, bowed to the pressure and issued what’s called an ‘emergency use authorization’ for the drug,” said Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Committee on Finance, which sponsored the hearing. “Doing so threw open the door to tens of millions of pills, including some, directly related to this hearing, manufactured inside facilities in Pakistan and India that have either failed F.D.A.’s inspection or never been inspected by the F.D.A. at all.”
This study found the complete opposite with a statistically significant p value.

http://www.ijmr.org.in/preprintarticle.asp?id=285520

Healthcare workers & SARS-CoV-2 infection in India: A case-control investigation in the time of COVID-19

Results : Compared to controls, cases were slightly older (34.7 vs. 33.5 yr) and had more males (58 vs. 50%). In multivariate analyses, HCWs performing endotracheal intubation had higher odds of being SARS-CoV-2 infected [adjusted odds ratio (AOR): 4.33, 95% confidence interval (CI): 1.16-16.07]. Consumption of four or more maintenance doses of HCQ was associated with a significant decline in the odds of getting infected (AOR: 0.44; 95% CI: 0.22-0.88); a dose-response relationship existed between frequency of exposure to HCQ and such reductions (χ2 for trend=48.88; P<0.001). In addition, the use of PPE was independently associated with the reduction in odds of getting infected with SARS-CoV-2.
 
so you didn't read it, congrats
Yes, I did. It is the biggest bullshit spin I have ever read in science. Only someone that it completely fucking retarded would believe a spin regarding confidentiality wrt to the data. So they the authors submitted a study for peer-review that couldn't be peer-reviewed. That is fucking retarded and clearly fraudulent.
 
If you have hydroxy and zinc studies... which you think look solid... lets see them.
and don't tell me to find them myself...

you said study after study... it should be easier for you..
i just did a google search and did not see a good one.

Try the search function. They have all been posted already in threads on ET.
 
The Lancet. It take years to build reputation and credibility but seconds to lose it.

Another TDS victim. I understand the Lancet is somehow controlled or influenced by the CCP, but I am not certain.
 
try supporting your claims... with a link next time.

What a surprise... I just searched on zinc and did not see a single study produced which ruled out hydroxy and zinc. going back to the beginning of May.


So were you lying again?



Try the search function. They have all been posted already in threads on ET.
 
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wait ..
there is one...

and once again GWB was wrong...

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1

In univariate analyses, zinc sulfate increased the frequency of patients being discharged home, and decreased the need for ventilation, admission to the ICU, and mortality or transfer to hospice for patients who were never admitted to the ICU. After adjusting for the time at which zinc sulfate was added to our protocol, an increased frequency of being discharged home (OR 1.53, 95% CI 1.12-2.09) reduction in mortality or transfer to hospice remained significant (OR 0.449, 95% CI 0.271-0.744). Conclusion: This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19.


try supporting your claims... with a link next time.

What a surprised... I just searched on zinc and did not see a single study produced which ruled out hydroxy and zinc. going back to the beginning of May.


So were you lying again?
 
and here is another.....

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20094193v1.full.pdf

Results: Ninety-seven moderate COVID-19 patients were managed with hydroxychloroquine (HQ) plus antibiotics (n = 22), lopinavir-ritonavir (Lop/R) plus antibiotics (n = 35), or conservative treatment (n = 40). Time to viral clearance, as signified by negative conversion on PCR, after initiation of treatment was significantly shorter with HQ plus antibiotics compared to Lop/R plus antibiotics (hazard ratio
, 0.49; 95% confidence interval [95% CI], 0.28 to 0.87) or conservative treatments (HR, 0.44; 95% CI, 0.25 to 0.78). Hospital stay duration after treatment was also shortest for patients treated with HQ plus antibiotics compared to other treatment groups. Subgroup analysis revealed that mean duration to viral clearance was significantly reduced with adjunctive use of antibiotics compared to monotherapy (HR 0.81, 95% CI, 0.70 to 0.93). While both HQ and Lop/R showed side effects including nausea, vomiting, and elevation of liver transaminases, none were serious. Conclusion: This first report on pharmacological management of COVID-19 from South Korea revealed that HQ with antibiotics was associated with better clinical outcomes in terms of viral clearance, hospital stay, and cough symptom resolution compared to Lop/R with antibiotics or conservative treatment. The effect of Lop/R with antibiotics was not superior to conservative management. The adjunct use of the antibiotics may provide additional benefit in COVID-19 management but warrants further evaluation
 
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