Lardass Michael Moore thinks that the American Sniper is a coward

[Ricter]

It's not a question of oneupsmanship. It's a matter of those whose opinions are based on actual service rather than on what they've seen on FoxNews, or the movies. Posting a picture of somebody with a rainbow flag doesn't change any of that.

Fair enough. But those who did serve only did so as one person, in one service, in one place in time. Like me in the USN, wtf do I know about the Cap'ns service in 'nam, for example?

On a lighter note...
"There are only two types of ships in the navy: submarines, and targets."
: )

 

[gwb-trading]

And why would I bother to discuss it with people like you?

The question is not about expertise but about experience. Those who have none will have different opinions than those who do. Which is why those with military experience who evaluate the whole Kyle situation have far greater currency than those who have no experience at all. This is not to say that there won't be people with experience who think he was just great, but at least they're basing it on something besides an inflated view of self-importance, like Cheney.

We can only assume that you have no military experience...
...and you are merely trolling.

 

[dbphoenix]

Fair enough. But those who did serve only did so as one person, in one service, in one place in time. Like me in the USN, wtf do I know about the Cap'ns service in 'nam, for example?

On a lighter note...
"There are only two types of ships in the navy: submarines, and targets."
: )

True. But you do have a different perspective than the armchair soldier.

I have no trouble understanding either Bales or Calley. But there's so much more to it than the actions themselves.

 

[jem]

first of all again if db did serve in the the american military I would thank him for the service.

but I am also going to disagree with the idea that unless you served you can have no opinions... that is baloney. You have a right and in fact you have a duty to judge. You are not the commander in chief but you have a duty to have an idea about drone killing... and invading syria etc.

I personally choose to not judge snipers or lawyers and judges arguing for the death penalty but
I do judge baby killers and late term and partial birth abortion docs.

I don't have to be a late term abortion doc to judge that to support that in any way is wrong. But as americans or hopefully living in any western country you should have an opinion and vote it.

 

[Ricter]

first of all again if db did serve in the the american military I would thank him for the service.

but I am also going to disagree with the idea that unless you served you can have no opinions... that is baloney. You have a right and in fact you have a duty to judge. You are not the commander in chief but you have a duty to have an idea about drone killing... and invading syria etc.

I personally choose to not judge snipers or lawyers and judges arguing for the death penalty but
I do judge baby killers and late term and partial birth abortion docs.

I don't have to be a late term abortion doc to judge that to support that in any way is wrong. But as americans or hopefully living in any western country you should have an opinion and vote it.

I agree with the principle, if not the instances. But not enough to put you up to 100 Likes. : )

 

[dbphoenix]

but I am also going to disagree with the idea that unless you served you can have no opinions... that is baloney. You have a right and in fact you have a duty to judge. You are not the commander in chief but you have a duty to have an idea about drone killing... and invading syria etc.

People are going to have opinions no matter what. However, the weight or value of an opinion given by someone who was in that situation, such as Ross Caputi, is greater than someone who's simply babbling dogma, just as the opinion, for example, regarding right-to-die of someone who's watched a spouse or parent suffer needlessly has more weight than that of someone for whom it's nothing more than an intellectual exercise. This is not to say that Caputi is right or that the individual who "helped" his spouse is right. But they each have more at stake than something they read online or heard somewhere.

Given that, there are moral issues that are not adequately addressed by the "kill them all" contingent, and these aren't always best handled by those who are most closely involved. Which is why we have civilian oversight, and why the Commander in Chief is not in the military.

 

[Tsing Tao]

And why would I bother to discuss it with people like you?

This tells us all we need to know. The man is lying through his teeth. End of story.

As for experience with weapons and an organized task force, the military isn't the only place to receive training. I did not serve in the U.S. armed forces, but I'll bet any amount of money I have more training and understanding in firearms, offensive/defensive strategy, overall combat (CQ especially) and more experience being shot at than many who claim military service. I'll happily reveal where I got this training for the right sum of money, too! And back it up.

 

[Ricter]

This tells us all we need to know. The man is lying through his teeth. End of story.

As for experience with weapons and an organized task force, the military isn't the only place to receive training. I did not serve in the U.S. armed forces, but I'll bet any amount of money I have more training and understanding in firearms, offensive/defensive strategy, overall combat and more experience being shot at than many who claim military service. I'll happily reveal where I got this training for the right sum of money, too! And back it up.

It should be the end of the story, since you can't prove otherwise your disbelief can only be opinion.

I'd say you're right re your training. I recall hearing a squad of paint ballers (lol) once beat the crap out of a squad of Marines in a search and destroy game. I assumed the paint ball crew gets to practice a lot more since they fund it themselves. On the other hand, live fire, live blade, and full-contact experience is burned in deeper than that of any exercise or role playing.

 

[dbphoenix]

On the other hand, live fire, live blade, and full-contact experience is burned in deeper than that of any exercise or role playing.

And those who have served will understand this.

Whereas those who haven't most likely won't, e.g., lawmakers.

 

[Max E.]

This tells us all we need to know. The man is lying through his teeth. End of story.

Man?