Kung Flu

[TreeFrogTrader]

Great points but that doesn't explain why hundreds of doctors have died of the CCP virus. Too much exposure? Wouldn't the immune system be stronger to fight off subsequent infections?

Depends on what "exposure" means. Some use it to mean being around people who have it. But the term is also used to mean, that the person has previously had the virus in their system.
A doctor might be around many who have it but still have never had the virus in their system.
So the body doesnt recognize that exposure until the virus is actually contracted regardless of how risky their environment has been.

Also some who are dying are dying from too much of an immune response - ie. cytokine storm-rather than too little immune response.

How many of these people who allegedly became re-infected ended out having a more severe case the second time around than the first. I mean are we hearing about someone who had a mild case and then was allegedly re-infected but had an even worse case and died? I doubt it, but have not seen any data on it.

Very elderly or immune impaired people will still have problems although a vaccine might help. But if a person is so impaired that they are not producing T-cells then that is a problem. You know we have flu shots, and we have pneuomonia vaccines, so on a so forth, but the very elderly or impaired dont have enough T-cells to work with the vaccines.

 

[Dr. Love]

Depends on what "exposure" means. Some use it to mean being around people who have it. But the term is also used to mean, that the person has previously had the virus in their system.
A doctor might be around many who have it but still have never had the virus in their system.
So the body doesnt recognize that exposure until the virus is actually contracted regardless of how risky their environment has been.

Also some who are dying are dying from too much of an immune response - ie. cytokine storm-rather than too little immune response.

How many of these people who allegedly became re-infected ended out having a more severe case the second time around than the first. I mean are we hearing about someone who had a mild case and then was allegedly re-infected but had an even worse case and died? I doubt it, but have not seen any data on it.

Very elderly or immune impaired people will still have problems although a vaccine might help. But if a person is so impaired that they are not producing T-cells then that is a problem. You know we have flu shots, and we have pneuomonia vaccines, so on a so forth, but the very elderly or impaired dont have enough T-cells to work with the vaccines.

Thanks. I haven't seen any study either regarding what happens when people get reinfected.

I have heard from several different sources that the CCP virus code given to the world by the CCP is missing a couple of links, which reportedly are HIV based. What are your thoughts on that?

After two+ months without infections, both NZ and Trinidad are closing down again because of new outbreaks without a clear source.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

I have heard from several different sources that the CCP virus code given to the world by the CCP is missing a couple of links, which reportedly are HIV based. What are your thoughts on that?

More than I can get into right now, but in general I don't buy into the hiv insertion theories.

First of all, and of major importance, the NIH and presumably most of the vaccine developers have sequenced the genome themselves and have not found the hiv connection. This is not to say that any data or findings from China are reliable, because they are not. They will hide anything. But European and American labs have adequate samples of the virus and have done their own sequencing and analysis.

Some of these hiv theories have developed based on assertions that there is - for an example- an 85% similarity between the corona virus and hiv sequencing, and from there the theories pick up speed. That is fine and dandy if one is feeling conspiratorial that day, but on the other hand, the coronavirus has an 85% similarity with the common cold corona virus as well. So there is that.

I do assume that the Chinese are bad actors though so whatever information they communicated was probably flawed and maliciously omitted some of what they know.

I don't really know. There was this chick who worked at Wuhan who defected a few weeks ago and allegedly she knows the inside scoop on some things, and presumably is being debriefed. She could be a fraud too. Most things chinese are. But if she says anything new and different, well, I will change my view as the facts change.

 

[Tsing Tao]

After two+ months without infections, both NZ and Trinidad are closing down again because of new outbreaks without a clear source.

Wait, what? I thought NZ was the picture perfect example of what a country should have done in order to eradicate the virus? Wasn't that what you told us, gwb?

 

[gwb-trading]

Wait, what? I thought NZ was the picture perfect example of what a country should have done in order to eradicate the virus? Wasn't that what you told us, gwb?

As I noted earlier - New Zealand immediately locked down for several days when new community COVID cases were discovered. They started Contact Tracing and testing everyone with potential contact.

At this point - New Zealand is investigating a breach in isolation security that likely caused the new cases.

Keep in mind that the only cases that New Zealand had for 102 days were 22 people who arrived in the country who were isolated and tested positive. This recent community cluster only involves 58 cases in New Zealand; tell me how that compares to Florida.

 

[Dr. Love]

As I noted earlier - New Zealand immediately locked down for several days when new community COVID cases were discovered. They started Contact Tracing and testing everyone with potential contact.

At this point - New Zealand is investigating a breach in isolation security that likely caused the new cases.

Keep in mind that the only cases that New Zealand had for 102 days were 22 people who arrived in the country who were isolated and tested positive. This recent community cluster only involves 58 cases in New Zealand; tell me how that compares to Florida.

Are you comparing an island closed to the rest of the world, to Florida where tens of thousands of infected New Yorkers had to flee because of horrible leftists leadership of DeBlasio and Cuomo?

 

[Tsing Tao]

As I noted earlier - New Zealand immediately locked down for several days when new community COVID cases were discovered. They started Contact Tracing and testing everyone with potential contact.

At this point - New Zealand is investigating a breach in isolation security that likely caused the new cases.

Keep in mind that the only cases that New Zealand had for 102 days were 22 people who arrived in the country who were isolated and tested positive. This recent community cluster only involves 58 cases in New Zealand; tell me how that compares to Florida.

I'm not comparing anything. Merely pointing out that the "Gold Standard" of World Pandemic Response is now having to lock down again. Why? I dunno, probably because viruses are contagious or something.

 

[Dr. Love]

More than I can get into right now, but in general I don't buy into the hiv insertion theories.

First of all, and of major importance, the NIH and presumably most of the vaccine developers have sequenced the genome themselves and have not found the hiv connection. This is not to say that any data or findings from China are reliable, because they are not. They will hide anything. But European and American labs have adequate samples of the virus and have done their own sequencing and analysis.

Some of these hiv theories have developed based on assertions that there is - for an example- an 85% similarity between the corona virus and hiv sequencing, and from there the theories pick up speed. That is fine and dandy if one is feeling conspiratorial that day, but on the other hand, the coronavirus has an 85% similarity with the common cold corona virus as well. So there is that.

I do assume that the Chinese are bad actors though so whatever information they communicated was probably flawed and maliciously omitted some of what they know.

I don't really know. There was this chick who worked at Wuhan who defected a few weeks ago and allegedly she knows the inside scoop on some things, and presumably is being debriefed. She could be a fraud too. Most things chinese are. But if she says anything new and different, well, I will change my view as the facts change.

Thanks.

As I understand it, the Wuhan lab had been working with CV and HIV for more than 10years. Originally, to find a vaccine to stop a possible epidemic, but then the research was taken over by the Chinese military as the goal was to create a biological weapon using gain of function mechanisms. That is why a Chinese General was sent to Wuhan to destroy all evidence of what was being worked on.

Here is a paper that noted the dangers of such experiments. If experiments could get a deadly virus to be transmitted through the air, well that is what the CCP virus would look like. Once you infect people, most people survive, but in subsequent infections either the body repels the virus with more strength or the body's defenses are less effective creating worse symptoms each time. It has to be one of the two. If it is the later, we are in this for the long haul.

Just putting ideas out there.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(18)30006-9/fulltext

 

[gwb-trading]

I'm not comparing anything. Merely pointing out that the "Gold Standard" of World Pandemic Response is now having to lock down again. Why? I dunno, probably because viruses are contagious or something.

The "world standard" locked down again because that is the proper response when COVID is introduced again from the outside. They locked down to properly contact trace and test - which is aligned with the best public health practices for addressing a highly contagious novel virus.

 

[Tsing Tao]

The "world standard" locked down again because that is the proper response when COVID is introduced again from the outside. They locked down to properly contact trace and test - which is aligned with the best public health practices for addressing a highly contagious novel virus.

Wonderful. Hey, I have an idea! Let's put everyone in hermetically sealed containers for 2 years. No one gets out. I'll betcha we kill the virus completely. Why hasn't anyone ever thought of this??

Proper response. What a laugh!

You are a complete and total idiot. I can't believe you think like this. Ruin everyone's life completely, send civilization back to the stone ages, cripple the world's economy in a way it will take a decade to recover from - all for a virus that goes after a select vulnerable segment of the populace.