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Oil is too cheap by $50. One wonders what the real price would be if there weren't a cartel divisively keeping oil prices low. More interesting, what would the price of oil be if it weren't owned by "Princes" ?
I don't have a model for the price of oil. That is just opinion. I believe that oil is too cheap at current market prices, maybe by a $100, for the reasons given in the original post.Quote from Maverick74:
That statement is outrageous. I personally think Oil should be much lower and the contango on the oil curve supports that. What's bidding oil up is not the actual commodity but rather the fact that it's being used as a currency. Also there are a tremendous amounts of long only commodity funds that are holding boatloads of oil contracts.
There are no supply issues in oil right now. Our SPR in this country is at record levels. Unfortunately oil is priced in dollars and therefore as we continue to print money, petro dollars go up in value.
You just pulled that $50 number out of your ass. Nitro come on man, if you are going to make outrageous claims, back them up.
I do think oil will drift higher over time. Not because of supply issues but because of the dollar. Having said there, this thing could drop like a rock if that oil curve flattens.
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I don't have a model for the price of oil. That is just opinion. I believe that oil is too cheap at current market prices, maybe by a $100, for the reasons given in the original post.
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Earnings on the SP500 are nowhere near all time highs in gold terms. Guess what, when the Argentinian currency went to $1,000,000 per US dollar (or whatever it was), they had "record" earnings too. It is the most fundamental mistake to compare anything monetary without first normalizing for inflation, interest rates and therefore currency valuation. Even if you do this, it is still wickedly hard to compare.
This melt up is also due to the fact that CEOs are not hiring, and not paying dividends. A great deal has to do with stock buyback. That alone should be a warning sign that this is unsustainable.
Good point. In those days, we were just beginning to realize, or at least I became conscious of, the fact that oil was not in endless supply.Quote from Maverick74:
Let me get this straight. Was oil not owned by the so called Princes when it was $12 a barrel in the mid 90's? Come on man, now this thread is moving into conspiracy waters now. Let me guess, the royal families were feeling generous in the mid 90's to give their oil away for free. Oy vey.