Bah,Quote from ASusilovic:
No, not Mr. Magoo market. Monopolistic market.
I am not disagreeing on the time frame, although I moved my date to early next year, sometime in FEB, as we got more information from the FED. Ok, March? Fine.Quote from Daal:
Heres an argument against you theory of fed hikes in the next 6 months. The fed already publicly commited to keep open their liquidity facilities till Feb 1 2010, they need 'unusual and exigent circunstances' to keep them open. It would be highly usual(and probably illegal) for the fed to hike rates(tighten credit) and claim the financial system is in 'unusual and exigent circunstances'. Therefore the fed will only risk a hike after the facilities are expired(Mar at the earliest since there is no meeting in Feb) otherwise that would draw further scrutiny from congress(who wont like the hike) and bernanke would be risking losing his seat with ilegality accusations again
Quote from nitro:
I am not disagreeing on the time frame, although I moved my date to aarly next year, sometime in FEB, as we got more information from the FED. Ok, March? Fine.
But that is not the crux of what I object to. My biggest concern is that IRs are taken back far too slowly, creating endless cycles of creation and destruction of wealth. Believe me, from a traders point of view, nothing would make me happier than to see what we saw from September of last year to about March of this year - I would make a fortune because I have systems now that would kill in that environment. But as a citizen and neighbor of people that I have seen the effects of these cycles, I would rather be poor than see so many people's life destroyed.
Perhaps, I still contend the very long end of the curve is at least 200 basis points undervalued.Quote from Daal:
Here's the thing I'm mainly concerned about what will happen, I dont spend much time think about what should happen. What should happen is congress starts free trade with the entire world but I know that is not going to happen so I dont bet on it. As far as March is concerned my argument is there is less than 5% chance of hike by then, and perhaps 10% after that, so looks there is still value on those contracts for longs even if some people disagree with the policy
Quote from nitro:
Free trade? Perhaps that would be stimulative, but I suspect that the current government is too protectionist for that. Besides, people are broke here and abroad, and the ones that have money are on a budget terrified they may not have job security! So how does free trade help?