Kudos to MMs

When I first stumbled on this thread, I thought "Kudos" was a Japanese brand of condom!:D

Actually, it is a very interesting thread, with a fresh view. Definately one of the better ones on ET.

Cheers!:)
 
"FV" ~825. Nasdaq futures have been doing the leading, and they appear to again this morning. Imo, it is odds against to sell strong NQ, so pullbacks should be seen as buying opportunities, if you can stomach buying with "FV" below your long price. I don't do it, but aggressive traders would.

QO and QI (gold futures and silver futures) made their debuts recently at the CME. Recommend you put those up on your screens. Odds high that oil futures close above $50 again today.

Otherwise, imo this is more sideways action, with possibly big range.
 
Quote from nitro:

"FV" ~825. Nasdaq futures have been doing the leading, and they appear to again this morning. Imo, it is odds against to sell strong NQ, so pullbacks should be seen as buying opportunities, if you can stomach buying with "FV" below your long price. I don't do it, but aggressive traders would.

Forgive the perhaps basic question...but how are you calculating fair value for the SP?

Thanks.
 
Quote from Soon2Bgreat:

Forgive the perhaps basic question...but how are you calculating fair value for the SP?

Thanks.
I use a homegrown method that is proprietary.
 
"FV" ~ 820. Other than the F news, I see little or no reason to get excited. Alternatively, other than unemployment figures that are almost two weeks away, I see no reason to be fearful either.

More of the same range bound trading imo.

Oil futures above $50. Probably hover around this area a while too. No real edge to either side, imo.

I was a bit surprised by the MSFT stock response to earnings. Perhaps it is more a play on Windows 7 than anything else. But Windows sales are driven mostly by new cycles in hardware upgrades. I just don't see it. Another possibility on the cause of the response is that MSFT is making it much harder to pirate copies of windows. That would increase their revenues mostly overseas, or, these people will just use linux since they don't steal it because they can, they steal it because they can't afford it.
 
Quote from nitro:

(about calculating FV): I use a homegrown method that is proprietary.

You know, since the market seems to be almost always out of sync with your FV calculation, how can we know that it is your FV that is incorrect and not the market???

After all, the market is always right. Then your FV must be wrong...
 
Quote from Pekelo:

You know, since the market seems to be almost always out of sync with your FV calculation, how can we know that it is your FV that is incorrect and not the market???

After all, the market is always right. Then your FV must be wrong...
I have already answered this. See below. The market does allow for arbitrage, and hence it is "wrong" often. But not on the time scales that we saw. If you believe that "FV" has predictive properties, energies must have been going somewhere. The question is, was the energy reversible, or was it friction that was unrecoverable? If it was not friction, then there was money to be made disproportionally to risk taken.

Quote from nitro:

I thought it would be fun to take a look at this "model" again. As you may recall, the reason this relation was introduced is because we noticed that "FV" was getting really out of whack during the relentless sell off, and taking our thinking analogously to physical models, in particular conservation laws and the way particle physicists keep track of energies in a particle collision, we decided that the "FV" scalar number did not take into account all the market "energies". So, I suggested that in order to make the "model" give a complete accounting of where the energies are going, that we had to add a correction term, VIX. This gave us a correction term where our model could still keep an equilibrium of prices around "FV".

So how has this model held up? Well, we didn't just introduce a value just to make things work. It had to make sense. As we can see, "FV" and SPX have converged. Would then not the VIX scaling factor also have to go down? Has it? The answer is yes. VIX was approximately 54 when "FV" and SPX were so out of whack, and VIX is closer to 40 now. This is not surprising given our understanding of VIX, since it tends to go lower in rising markets. However, one thing occurred to me while thinking about this.

VIX is often seen as a "fear" indicator, which seems to suggest that it has a higher absolute value when the SPX is going down. But this is a bad way to think about VIX imo. What VIX measures is not so much fear, but unexpected moves away from means in some distribution [for experts, a path integral of correlated big price swings.] So it is a single number that [indirectly to the untrained eye] measures skewness and kurtosis. It just happens that prices have greater momentum on the way down than on the way up, and hence VIX seeks a higher absolute value in this case. Further, since VIX incorporates information about the vola skew, it also a measure of correlation risk, and it is this correlation risk that markets [people] want to avoid.

One interesting thing to me is: Before the 1987 crash, there was little or no skew in SPX vola prices. Thereafter, this changed. I think VIX is not efficient in the same way that vola was not efficient pre-1987 crash in that VIX should also rise on strongly rising markets. It is an intuitive statement that I cannot prove.

Anyway, just thinking out loud.
 
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