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Nitro, I obviously am not privy to *FV internals, but I have something to relate from my experience. Partially motivated to the success I saw in NFV, I have done my own research over the past few months and I have found another financial time series which displays dependable predictive activity for SPX. That is to say, if this instrument moves and SPX does not, SPX tends to follow in the next short while. Could take half an hour, or a few days, to converge.

Actually, I should note that I have found several instruments such as this, however the one I am talking about is the only one that still exhibits this behavior.

That is important because I express the relationship in arbitrage, or pairs trading, terms, and thus structure my trades (so far automated, on paper) to follow. Thus I am either exposed long to SPX, and short the other instrument, or vice versa. I generally lose money on the other instrument, but net money overall, and in the rare event that SPX is the predictor, I am protected.

I mentioned that I only have one instrument with which this still works. Were I trading this system with one that doesn't, you can imagine that I would get erroneous results in regard to divergences, and probably lose money on a regular basis.

I have seen the other instruments break down in their ability to work in this system. The correlations no longer hold. So my point is, I don't know what mathematical principles *FV relies upon, but if in the end they imply some sort of correlation amongst various price instruments, perhaps those correlations have simply broken down?
 
To me it is ludicrous that VIX is 20. Consider the incredible blinders you have to put on to believe that trillions of dollars holding this market up will be pulled away when the time comes, with relatively little effect on world markets and economies.

The answer of course is, that we are on a boat, and even though we can see Niagara Falls somewhere in the distance, we can still sip champagne and enjoy a nice conversation because we are still in calm waters. VIX is a local phenomena.
 
Quote from ammo:

any currencies in your equation?

I think it's safe to guess that there are, considering that Nitro was seen on ET asking about getting currency intervention data soon after interventions occur, and NFV began to drag after the BoJ intervention.
 
The hardest thing for a trader to do is to think like an investor, and the hardest thing for an investor to do is think like a trader.

That is because we have no theory other than momentum as to when be one or the other. We have old wifes tales like "Don't fight the FED" etc, but that will make you go broke one day.

The stock market and the bond market can't both be correct here. One is wrong, or they are both some mixture of wrong. But both are right is not an option.
 
Quote from johnnyqpublic:

Nitro, I obviously am not privy to *FV internals, but I have something to relate from my experience. Partially motivated to the success I saw in NFV, I have done my own research over the past few months and I have found another financial time series which displays dependable predictive activity for SPX. That is to say, if this instrument moves and SPX does not, SPX tends to follow in the next short while. Could take half an hour, or a few days, to converge.

Actually, I should note that I have found several instruments such as this, however the one I am talking about is the only one that still exhibits this behavior.

That is important because I express the relationship in arbitrage, or pairs trading, terms, and thus structure my trades (so far automated, on paper) to follow. Thus I am either exposed long to SPX, and short the other instrument, or vice versa. I generally lose money on the other instrument, but net money overall, and in the rare event that SPX is the predictor, I am protected.

I mentioned that I only have one instrument with which this still works. Were I trading this system with one that doesn't, you can imagine that I would get erroneous results in regard to divergences, and probably lose money on a regular basis.

I have seen the other instruments break down in their ability to work in this system. The correlations no longer hold. So my point is, I don't know what mathematical principles *FV relies upon, but if in the end they imply some sort of correlation amongst various price instruments, perhaps those correlations have simply broken down?
I am not ignoring this post - it is my longest response and I can't do it now.
 
Quote from nitro:

NFV 1092.41. ANFV 1144.76. SPX 1193.30.

Out EANFV 1190 + 2.

Transfer to S SPX 1193.30.

Out 1,185.62. ~ +7, and +2 from the futures, for ~ +9 on the day. Sorry for the delayed update, women come before posting on ET.
 
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