Kudlows goldilocks economy.....

Quote from Jayford:

We've been in recession since January. I don't know of a single economist that subscribes to the two negative quarters crap. Jobs have been declining five months in a row. That alone is enough.

Besides, if the gov properly accounted for inflation, 1st quarter GDP would be way in the red. Its a hugely flawed system cause its lagging by definition, and you can massage the data to much, which is exactly why the US Gov loves to use it BTW.

When I say I don't know of a single economist, I am not just referring to those you read about in the media, but personal friends as well (I am a trained economist, and know several of them from grad school days).

Economists working for brokerage firms and banks that you see on CNBC do not count because it is their job to give as rosy a forecast as is plausible to drive business. Economists that do nothing but run consulting firms are the ones to listen to. Try RGE monitor. Constantly ranked among the best in their field by the Economist. They have thousands of separate clients, and employ REAL TIME ANALYSIS. No backward looking bullshit. What do they say? Most definitely in the early phase of a growing recession.

Lets see, just the obvious shit:

-Housing in free fall, no bottom in sight. Check.

-severe credit crunch entering round two. Many banks expected to fail. check.

- declining employment. check.

- retail sales at box stores for consumer items in serious sales decline. Check. Electronics for example.

- auto sales in serious decline. check.

- Walmart and MacDonald's doing well. Check.

The list goes on and on.

And what is looking rosy? Exports. Thank you low dollar. Too bad its only 12% of the economy while the over burdened consumer is 70%.

Hedge, we are in serious crap. Worst I've seen in my 25 years of analyzing this stuff. You obviously have never seen a bear market. We are in one.



This the end for you. Go buy a nylon rope and a plastic stool from HOME DEPOT and check into a $ 20 motel room and that should do it..
 
Quote from daddyeaux:

here's how you get positive GDP, you understate inflation

we have been in recession since 2001


Yiou have been in a depression, that my friend needs a trip to the high walled compound and white coats.
 
Quote from MrDODGE:

For the record...

CNBC had multiple people come on over several days all saying "8th or 9th inning". I sat in my office and chuckled every time I heard the words.

Maybe the game is tied, and we are headed for 10 more innings
of pure hell.

Cramer said a few months ago that financials and housing has
bottomed. Yeah, right.

Bernanke said that slowing economy should ease inflation
concerns. Hmmm, that did not work out either. Instead,
oil and commodities are in orbit.

Good thing these guys are not baseball players, since their
batting average is close to .100
 
Quote from daddyeaux:
forgot the chart
Whoever made that chart should take 'Accounting 101'. What on earth does cash minus liabilities show? By that definition the entire SP500 is bankrupt.

Houshold networth is what you want to look at

HouseholdNetWorth2002to2007.jpg


Q1 2008 saw a $1.7 trillion drop in networth. (http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/05/news/economy/fundflows/)
 
Quote from S2007S:
Kudlow still hyping his goldilocks economy.....


Keep hyping up the "GREAT" economy.
Hmmm I just watched this segment titled 'Recession vs. Recovery' from Friday's show. It felt to me that Kudlow is very balanced and trying to show the viewer the potential scenarios of the coming 6-12 months the bond, credit derivative and stock markets tell right now.

Good balanced discussion round, covering the entire spectrum from pessimistic to optimistic:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=775293990&play=1

I don't think one has to agree with everything that's said on Kudlow but it is still is well-presented information including TED spread for banking stress and CDX North America for default risk.

Not sure how this is 'hyping up the market'.
 
Quote from Jayford:

We've been in recession since January. I don't know of a single economist that subscribes to the two negative quarters crap. Jobs have been declining five months in a row. That alone is enough.

Besides, if the gov properly accounted for inflation, 1st quarter GDP would be way in the red. Its a hugely flawed system cause its lagging by definition, and you can massage the data to much, which is exactly why the US Gov loves to use it BTW.

When I say I don't know of a single economist, I am not just referring to those you read about in the media, but personal friends as well (I am a trained economist, and know several of them from grad school days).

Economists working for brokerage firms and banks that you see on CNBC do not count because it is their job to give as rosy a forecast as is plausible to drive business. Economists that do nothing but run consulting firms are the ones to listen to. Try RGE monitor. Constantly ranked among the best in their field by the Economist. They have thousands of separate clients, and employ REAL TIME ANALYSIS. No backward looking bullshit. What do they say? Most definitely in the early phase of a growing recession.

Lets see, just the obvious shit:

-Housing in free fall, no bottom in sight. Check.

-severe credit crunch entering round two. Many banks expected to fail. check.

- declining employment. check.

- retail sales at box stores for consumer items in serious sales decline. Check. Electronics for example.

- auto sales in serious decline. check.

- Walmart and MacDonald's doing well. Check.

The list goes on and on.

And what is looking rosy? Exports. Thank you low dollar. Too bad its only 12% of the economy while the over burdened consumer is 70%.

Hedge, we are in serious crap. Worst I've seen in my 25 years of analyzing this stuff. You obviously have never seen a bear market. We are in one.

jayford, i agree with all the points you have outlined and up until 2 months ago i would have backed the thesis; but now i may be getting slightly bullish. for me, i have been at this for 20 yrs and pretty much was weaned on the s & l crisis which hit us hard. one of our businesses is in the construction industry(nice sized) and as the credit crisis hit last year we plummeted; but in the last few months things have reversed so strong to a back log through the end of 08. honestly, i truly believed a minimum of 3 years of rock bottom; but i cannot deny the traffic and spending i am witnessing. i kinda wanted a real estate crash to cleanse the excesses and people who never deserved sucess; but again, i am seeing light here.

another thing i cannot believe is the fact that you would even consider trying to reason with that freak hft/day, etc! i still hope he has been trying to put us all on with his bizarre rants; if not, i feel bad for any human or animal that must share personal space with him.


lastly, makloda, your even tempered analysis is appreciated by me. nice work.
 
Quote from HedgefundTrader2:

This the end for you. Go buy a nylon rope and a plastic stool from HOME DEPOT and check into a $ 20 motel room and that should do it..

I'm a day trader. I could care less. I make money either direction. Just calling the economy as I see it (as the VAST majority of credible economists see it).

Hedge, you truly are an impressive moron.
 
Quote from MrDODGE:

For the record...

CNBC had multiple people come on over several days all saying "8th or 9th inning". I sat in my office and chuckled every time I heard the words.

And how does watching CNBC help you make money?
 
You guys should listen to Roubini at RGE monitor. He has no vested interest in his calls except to prepare his clients for what is around the corner. This guy is good.

What does he say?

We are in about the third inning of the credit crisis, and its going to spread to consumer loans (credit cards) which are at a ridiculous debt level never before even contemplated. This is based on disposable income percentages, so inflation and GDP growth do not skew the numbers. Its UGLY. Continued job losses, according to Roubini, are going to bring a tidal wave of credit card defaults, which are already growing.

The economy is 70% based on the consumer.
 
hey jay..i agree with you; yet i see what i should not. for the past 15 yrs of housing expansion most of the money has come from home equity loans and easy first mortgages. now that has dried up , where will the financing come from? maybe what i am seeing is a dead cat bounce?
 
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