Krugman: Gas and Food prices have Nothing to do with FED Policy

Quote from Brass:

Really? Relative value isn't important? Currency value is determined in a vacuum and should always be going higher as a matter of course? You may wish to share your epiphany with a few exporters.

Again, just to satisfy my curiosity, against which currencies are you referencing the US dollar? Because in a global economy connected by trade, an assessment is by necessity relative.

What? Are we in an echo chamber? I just explained it. Currency value is determined by domestic purchasing power + IR yield. "A vacuum"? Wtf are u talking about? You do know what purchasing power is, don't you? It's the measure of what you can buy with the little pieces of paper in your wallet. Consumers don't buy yen or francs or euros with their paychecks. They buy gas, food, shelter and stocks. Surely, a better measure of a currencies value is what tangibles can be bought with it? Not how many pieces of other fiat paper can be bought with it?
 
Quote from Covertibility:

So if one were to look from the years 2000 to 2003, the Fed Funds droped from 6% to 1%, why did oil trade roughly sideways?? When the price of oil started increasing in 2004, the US economy was improving. Throw in the emergence of the BRIC's and you will, eventually, realize that world growth was the predominant reason for the run in oil prices.

Why are you including housing and the Nasdaq when in the first post of this thread you make claims that Fed policy also influence the price of corn, wheat and oil when clearly it does not.

I already explained this. Twice already. Did you not bother to read my other two posts on the subject? Please scroll.
 
Quote from Covertibility:

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Longer term chart.

1988 to 1993, Fed Funds drops 10 to 3, oil price does squat. That little blip in '90 was Iraq War.

The 2000 era stands out at the BRIC's were coming online.

The exception to the rule doesn't make it wrong. Cheap money finds a home in hard assets (metals, commodities, real estate, stocks). Sometimes its one. Sometimes, its the other. Because cheap money in the '90s didn't find its way into oil, doesn't mean the relationship isn't true. Is it really that difficult?
 
Quote from achilles28:

What? Are we in an echo chamber? I just explained it. Currency value is determined by domestic purchasing power + IR yield. "A vacuum"? Wtf are u talking about? You do know what purchasing power is, don't you? It's the measure of what you can buy with the little pieces of paper in your wallet. Consumers don't buy yen or francs or euros with their paychecks. They buy gas, food, shelter and stocks. Surely, a better measure of a currencies value is what tangibles can be bought with it? Not how many pieces of other fiat paper can be bought with it?
Okay, in as few words as possible, how would you propose to enhance currency value? Let's see where this takes us, shall we?
 
Quote from Brass:

Okay, in as few words as possible, how would you propose to enhance currency value? Let's see where this takes us, shall we?

well let's make a "forever" dollar, like a forever postage stamp (no matter what the rate the stamp will still deliver a first class piece of mail.)

The "forever" dollar would be indexed to inflation, we'll put a upc bar code on each dollar and when the gov't inflation numbers go out, voila, the value of the dollar rises automatically based on the year of the bar code and rate of inflation.

We could have an exchange rate on our own currency from year to year. sounds like fun. :D
 
Quote from Brass:

Okay, in as few words as possible, how would you propose to enhance currency value? Let's see where this takes us, shall we?

Tie the dollar to gold or a commodity standard. Any other questions?

You do realize purchasing power is determined by stock of money / stock of goods? When money is "printed" via QE or fractional reserve loan creation, the existing stock of money is debased, and hard asset values increase proportionately. Or, in some cases, disproportionately?
 
Quote from achilles28:

That's right. Bailouts and QE, intended to reinflate asset prices (real estate and equity), have zero affect on asset prices (energy and commodities). Brilliant. How does Krugman know which asset class is buoyed, and which isn't? Cheap money inflates stocks but not oil prices? Real estate but not the price of corn? Or wheat? Anyhow. These are the fucking idiots that run our economy.

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what a deception.
"but the dollar has not got down" and compares it to the Euro.

When major currencies debase together what happens. They stay in parity but their purchasing power goes down vis a vis goods and services from outside parties. hence food and oil prices go up.


WTF can't you all see him smiling as he is lying - under his beard...
he smiles as he lies to you. Him and Reich have almost identical condescending deliveries as they lie their asses off.

We live in a dynamic system. These guys answer with false comparisons... to throw you off the trail. They are nasty dudes. They are smart lying leftists... just smart enough to fool t.v. personalities and leftists.
 
Quote from achilles28:

Tie the dollar to gold or a commodity standard. Any other questions?

You do realize purchasing power is determined by stock of money / stock of goods? When money is "printed" via QE or fractional reserve loan creation, the existing stock of money is debased, and hard asset values increase proportionately. Or, in some cases, disproportionately?
Really? The gold standard? Seriously? You're not aware of the capricious nature of that relationship? THAT'S your soultion? That's the best you got? Meanwhile, and as an aside, do you disregard all aspects of foreign exchange as it relates to trade?
 
Quote from nutmeg:

well let's make a "forever" dollar, like a forever postage stamp (no matter what the rate the stamp will still deliver a first class piece of mail.)

The "forever" dollar would be indexed to inflation, we'll put a upc bar code on each dollar and when the gov't inflation numbers go out, voila, the value of the dollar rises automatically based on the year of the bar code and rate of inflation.

We could have an exchange rate on our own currency from year to year. sounds like fun. :D
Where troubles melt like lemon drops far above the chimney tops, and rivers are made of chocolate?
 
Quote from Brass:

Really? The gold standard? Seriously? You're not aware of the capricious nature of that relationship? ...

You mean like not being able to print worthless paper money to finance socialism?
You mean like that?
 
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