Knowing when not to trade.

usually best to simply not trade a stock when it's still inside the high/low range of it's previous trading day. or after 11am. or when the COMPQ is inside it's prev day hi/low.

2-day high/low breakouts, eg CDWC- short today 3/10, GILD+ long, out of 2day ranges, the best type of plays imho.


ken
 
quote from iceman1 :
1. what's the difference between "mental" and "psychological" conditions...

2. do you really mean "rather than" market conditions, or "in addition to"?

3. Can you explain what you mean by what you state.
I am not drawing any distinctions between mental and psychological conditions. What I mean is if the trader can achieve a level of concentration by focusing on executing their trading system according to its tested rules, then the mental state acquired by the trader will determine profits/losses whatever the market conditions may be.
 
Quote from spreadem:

quote from iceman1 :
I am not drawing any distinctions between mental and psychological conditions. What I mean is if the trader can achieve a level of concentration by focusing on executing their trading system according to its tested rules, then the mental state acquired by the trader will determine profits/losses whatever the market conditions may be.

I didn't know their was any distinction to draw.

Well... as long as you know what your saying and can take it to the bank... doesn't really matter whether anyone else on ET can understand contradictory posts. But you changed from deciding when or when not to trade (the subject of this thread) based upon "mental and psychological conditions" to trading whenever one can achieve a "level of concentration" by focusing on "tested" rules...

regardless of market conditions.

So anyway, back to the subject of this thread. When and how do you decide when NOT to trade?! Did you mean: whenever you do not feel sufficiently in tune with the markets... and don't see yourself capable of getting into a high state of readiness, focus, flow and concentration... and thus become less capable or incapable of successfully executing according to (your) plan...

perhaps due to difficult market conditions?!

Is that essentially what you meant to say! :D

p.s. what "level" of concentration.... any level? Blue, Yellow, Orange, Pink, Red? :eek:

Ice:cool:
 
some things are worth repeating.

This is something I wrote a while ago. Part of one of the threads I did when I used to contribute more about trading and less in "chit chat"..

The quote is a bit out of context as you can tell. I was a direct response to someone that had an "overtrading" problem.

Quote from rs7:


I had a friend that wanted to trade. I tried to talk him out of it. I knew he was both too impulsive and too compulsive.
He chased every stock he saw uptick. He watched so many stocks on his screen he had to make his font smaller to fit them in.
I told him he was an over-trader. His argument was that he had always made more money the harder he worked. And he did. He became a very wealthy guy years before. Selling automotive products. Never made a dime trading. Lasted a few months and walked away.
But what he (and so many others) did not understand that often the "hard work" in trading is going through what you call the "boring" times. Being disciplined is hard work. Not trading is hard work. Watching the "action" and not participating is hard work. Inaction does not equate to doing nothing though it may appear that way. It is the DECISION to "do nothing" that makes that very "inaction" work. Our job is about making decisions, not about making trades. Anyone can hit the buy or sell button. Deciding when to do it is something else. It is what seperates work from play. Trading from amusement.
You most definitely are not alone in your addiction to the excitement of trading...do what you have to to kick the addiction if you can. Hey, guys I worked with gambled pretty big stakes to pass the time when they weren't trading. The losers usually saved money overall by not trading while they were pissing away money playing poker or whatever. I cleared through First Options when I was a market maker. Their lounge upstairs from the CBOE was a veritable casino there were so many gin, poker, and backgammon games going on there. All that was missing were cocktail waitresses. This was how these guys relaxed!!! Me, I played chess. But I still had to play for money. Not that I wanted to....I just couldn't get anyone interested in playing for the sake of the game. So I guess most traders like to gamble. Just don't do it in the market. Try and make that a job.
 
Quote from rs7:

some things are worth repeating.

This is something I wrote a while ago. Part of one of the threads I did when I used to contribute more about trading and less in "chit chat"..

Thanks for reposting rs7!!
 
It's all about knowing how you win...

LIke on the last downfall today, I made a right call going short but I wasn't in the trade. There was enough space eventually but it would have been a possible loss.

It's all about constant self-analysis, discipline and subjective trading rules.
 
From 'Where are the Customers' Yachts' by Fred Schwed, Jr.

"Your average Wall Streeter, faced with nothing profitable to do, does nothing for only a brief time. Then, suddenly and hysterically, he does something which turns out to be extremely unprofitable. He is not a lazy man."
 
Quote from stokhack:

From 'Where are the Customers' Yachts' by Fred Schwed, Jr.

"Your average Wall Streeter, faced with nothing profitable to do, does nothing for only a brief time. Then, suddenly and hysterically, he does something which turns out to be extremely unprofitable. He is not a lazy man."

That is a great quote. Working hard and not hard and smart is probably the downfall of many traders. Most traders theorize that since they are traders, their job is obviously to push the buttons and trade. One of the switches in thinking I made that has made a huge difference for me is to think of it like athletics. When I was in school and played football, the "work" was in two a days and then after school for practice. If I did well during the work part then I would get to play on friday night. In trading, the work is for the most part done when the market is closed and everyone else is away from their screens. If you do a good job at the work, hopefully you will be able to play for a long time.

Brandon
 
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