Keys To Recovery....Cut Taxes, Cut Spending

Quote from libertad:

http://mises.org/story/3290

10% Consumption tax only

Dramatic cuts in government expenditures

........................................................................

Will provide the best means towards recovery....

If only we had politicians with the will and back bone to do it.
 
Its not about backbone. What you are suggesting is that the ones in charge give up power and that is not going to happen.

Its not that they dont have the guts, its that their design runs counter to the real solution.

-burn8
 
Quote from libertad:

http://mises.org/story/3290

10% Consumption tax only

Dramatic cuts in government expenditures

........................................................................

Will provide the best means towards recovery....

Austrian 'economics' does not care about employment rates.

Recovery in your terms = recovery of fiscal sanity, but it also implies 10% consumption tax will likely not be enough (sales tax is already 7%+ on average) as well as dramatic cuts in govt expenditures means massive job losses, and thus more decreases in discretionary income and overall price level.

You seem to want your cake and to be able to eat it too.

The reality is your proposal would mean 35%-40% unemployment, no doubt a sound currency, a requirement of probably 30-40% consumption tax rates to balance the budget and past obligations, and a net massive destruction in economic activity, the amount of capital out there (decreased lending, etc).

But your currency would no doubt be sound.

On the other hand, you can't eat currency. And 40% unemployment = people that have no money buy food.

Your school of thought doesn't believe in social programs to provide that 40% food ... so I don't see how your recovery is better than my version (with more people eating, with money not as 'sound').
 
Quote from burn8:

Its not about backbone. What you are suggesting is that the ones in charge give up power and that is not going to happen.

Its not that they dont have the guts, its that their design runs counter to the real solution.

-burn8

AND that they "don't have guts"..
 
Quote from scriabinop23:


The reality is your proposal would mean 35%-40% unemployment, no doubt a sound currency, a requirement of probably 30-40% consumption tax rates to balance the budget and past obligations, and a net massive destruction in economic activity, the amount of capital out there (decreased lending, etc).

Where do you come up with this crap? Do you pump yourself full of crack before you start posting?

The nation would go back to self substinence and start producing again while shedding off the leeches & parasites that the financial industry has become.

Right now USA is third world status, half if not most, in poverty levels, people starving & homeless all over. And it has just begun.
 
Also, replying to his points (I can't believe anyone would spend money on a book by this guy who clearly doesn't understand key fundamentals within economics).

Surely the project will draw on engineers, construction foremen, and other skilled workers, who were still gainfully employed even amidst the recession, and who therefore will not be able to work on as many private-sector projects as they otherwise would have.


In this case, the government projects will serve to raise the wage level of these occupations, increasing disposable income and thus aggregrate demand. That is the intended purpose.


But even if we conceded that the government could spend money in a way that only involved unemployed resources...'

Again he misses the point. It is to stimulate demand as I outlined above.

In short, people in the private sector made decisions as if there were far more real resources at their disposal to "fund" the projects to completion. When reality set in...

What is 'reality'? He says this as if there is some baseline level of capacity (supply) in the economy that is 'reality', the rest froth. Again, this is wrong. There is no concrete level of supply or demand that is right or wrong. Last I checked, there are billions (most) of people who live in abject poverty. I'm sure all of this extra supply could be increasing their quality of living. The whole point of 'economic prosperity' is to raise everyone's standard of living, ensuring they can eat, have work, and advance society. The Austrians are fixated on some arbitrary definition of too much and too little, and dictate policy that way.

Once people in the private sector realized they had made horrible decisions during the boom years, they needed to stop business as usual and figure out how to make the best of a bad situation...

In practice, the people in a market economy solve this fantastically complex problem by making profit-and-loss calculations, which in turn rely on market prices. For example, it is clear that a former Wall Street quant isn't doing anybody a service by cranking out models that give mortgage-backed securities a gold star for safety. But what should this PhD do now? Should he go into academia and teach thermodynamics (which may very well have been the subject of his dissertation)? Or is his impressive education really a complete waste, and he would — at this point, given the economic realities — provide the most service by working the register at Wal-Mart?"

I hate to say it, but this guy makes a great case that free market economies are great at sending false signals that cause copius amounts of malinvestment. He isn't far from implicitly suggesting central planning (done properly) may lead to great economic efficiency. Read in between the lines!

The restaurant owner isn't going to make a long-term investment based on the business of bridge workers, since they will be out of work once the bridge is finished.

He doesn't take into account the multiplier effect of investment. When the bridge is finished, new things are able to be accomplished that were not before. Better example: US railroads and US roads infrastructure projects. Before they existed, it was much more expensive to transport goods. Now with lower transportation costs and movement of goods actually being possible, money put into the pockets of the bridge and road builders can be used entreprenuerally(sp) to start profitable businesses. Furthermore, the bridge builders have money they wouldn't have had otherwise to spend in other areas of the economy. That is a simplistic explanation, but gets the idea across of why government investment can be productive and necessary.
 
Quote from libertad:

http://mises.org/story/3290

10% Consumption tax only

Dramatic cuts in government expenditures

........................................................................

Will provide the best means towards recovery....

We must first see coordinated social outrage demonstrations [rioting] and/or a revolution for this to even be considered.

Unti then, a 12-pack of beer and new episodes of "24" help the sheeple maintain their sanity [obedience].
 
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