Total newbie question, what's in it for Kershner? As far as not backing themselves, what do you mean by this? I took a look at SMB seriously at one time because they pushed the fact that you would get an experienced mentor. I think found out these mentors have only been trading for a few years, which I thought was ok thinking maybe they train you so well that a few years is good. Then I asked for track records of their mentors, and they wouldn't give them up. When I visited their firm, I noticed that the heads of SMB did a lot of volume, 30k shs in one position but their gross P&L was only up a few hundred, I assumed the principles probably traded for free so they didn't care, but after that it just rubbed me the wrong way, but maybe the traders do really well there?