Katie Couric Sarah Palin Interview

[yayt]

Quote from Allen3:

Shhh! Your going to give away the big ending.

Obama wants to cut taxes for 90% of Americans, no? And doesn't Obama want to cut taxes more than McCain does?

Don't let the deceptive ads fool you. Before jumping on me and calling me a liberal tree-hugger - look it up.

 

[jonbig04]

Quote from yayt:

Obama wants to cut taxes for 90% of Americans, no? And doesn't Obama want to cut taxes more than McCain does?

Don't let the deceptive ads fool you. Before jumping on me and calling me a liberal tree-hugger - look it up.

You cant convince them otherwise. I've tried. it's like they don't want to believe obama is dropping taxes on 95% of us bc they agree with the move...and if they agree that must mean they may need to reassess their initial assumptions. Like bigdave said ideals trump logic. Even if those ideals are "hate obama" lol.

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Anyone who's been around knows that a Democrat President+Democrat Congress equals higher taxes for more than 5% of America. In other words: Obama is lying his ass off to get elected. Tell me this: 40% of American workers ALREADY don't pay Federal taxes. How is a tax CUT for them even possible.

You're anti-free market and class warfare views are the anithesis of what once made America great. You're a friggin' socialist. How is your desire to engineer housing prices any different than price fixing labor markets? People who are renting or short a house have a RIGHT to buy on declines. My house has lost more in value than you're worth. Do I bitch? I could give two fucks. Markets are cyclical.

I'm not going to work ONE ADDITIONAL DAY for the Federal government. I can't morally do it. Most of us can set up an offshore LLC-we'd gladly pay taxes on repatriated salary-and let the balance grow just as if it were domiciled in an IRA. I'll speak on behalf of the trading community to Big Brother:We pay you out of our charitable hearts. Obama's plan makes NO SENSE. Any plan that raises Federal taxes, Federal expenditures, Federal entitlements and Federal obligations is a horse shit plan that's last century. Too many Obama voters are under the misguided illusion that the Federal system can be fixed. It can't. It's done. Throw it out. Obama is in effect ANTI-CHANGE.

Quote from jonbig04:

I live my trading life ahead of the curve. Federal budgets are unsustainable. Why, isn't there plenty of money? No. There's not enough money for taxpayers to absorb rising LOCAL costs for education, police and underfunded pensions and then to simultaneously service increased Federal obligations.

Our country needs money. Agreed.

you can only raise sales taxes and cigarette taxes and property taxes and utility taxes and licenses and fees so much before you tap every last dollar of taxpayer elasticity.

OK, who is trying to raise all those taxes? Not Obama. I don't know why I can't get this through to you OBAMA IS PUSHING FOR TAX BREAK FOR 95% OF THE COUNTRY. THE VERY PEOPLE YOU ARE DEFENDING



Any idea how decreasing property values are impacting municipalities as they reassess property taxes lower? It's a HUGE problem. Cities are broke and states-many of whom have laws restricting the issuance of debt-are struggling for revenue sources. Meanwhile the Democrat's plan to raise FEDERAL taxes. Learn how to build a bomb guys....

Agreed, lower property values hurt everyone. I've explained to you before, you seem to think that housing prices go up and down and wall street reacts to them. No. Everything is connected. Less regulation=companies ultra leveraged buying up all debt=lax lending requirements=more houses built=more houses sold=housing bubble. Its not hard to understand. Now because of LESS REGULATION (small federal government) housing prices are falling like a rock and need to be reassessed.

Let me ask you an honest question, 2 years ago if some democrats in the senate proposed a bill that called for 100 million to pay for regulating financial markets, what would you have said? You an I both know what you would have said. It's that attitude that got us into this mess.


First you talk about how bad our country needs money then you balk at the idea of raising any kind of taxes. Poof! Money from nowhere aye?

I'm not sure what taxes you are talking about but Obama's plan is the only one that makes any sense.

We agree on 2 major points. We need money. The average taxpayer has no money.

What to do then? Well we could raise taxes on the very wealthy to boost revenue and we could cut taxes on the vast majority of everyone else, because they are the ones hurting and they have no damn money to give. Crazy talk i guess....

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from jonbig04:

You cant convince them otherwise. I've tried. it's like they don't want to believe obama is dropping taxes on 95% of us bc they agree with the move...and if they agree that must mean they may need to reassess their initial assumptions. Like bigdave said ideals trump logic. Even if those ideals are "hate obama" lol.

No, it's because we examined what he said and found it was a pack of lies and statistical manipulation.

 

[yayt]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Anyone who's been around knows that a Democrat President+Democrat Congress equals higher taxes for more than 5% of America. In other words: Obama is lying his ass off to get elected. Tell me this: 40% of American workers ALREADY don't pay Federal taxes. How is a tax CUT for them even possible.

You're anti-free market and class warfare views are the anithesis of what once made America great. You're a friggin' socialist. How is your desire to engineer housing prices any different than price fixing labor markets? People who are renting or short a house have a RIGHT to buy on declines. My house has lost more in value than you're worth. Do I bitch? I could give two fucks. Markets are cyclical.

I'm not going to work ONE ADDITIONAL DAY for the Federal government. I can't morally do it. Most of us can set up an offshore LLC-we'd gladly pay taxes on repatriated salary-and let the balance grow just as if it were domiciled in an IRA. I'll speak on behalf of the trading community to Big Brother:We pay you out of our charitable hearts. Obama's plan makes NO SENSE. Any plan that raises Federal taxes, Federal expenditures, Federal entitlements and Federal obligations is a horse shit plan that's last century. Too many Obama voters are under the misguided illusion that the Federal system can be fixed. It can't. It's done. Throw it out. Obama is in effect ANTI-CHANGE.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

The average and above average American would fare better under Obama's tax plan than McCains. Obviously, the rich would not.

 

[MarketMasher]

I thought the bailout was supposed to help the average Joe.

Why are the Republicans against it after they were for it?

 

[yayt]

because McCain went there to "shake things up"

 

[jonbig04]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Anyone who's been around knows that a Democrat President+Democrat Congress equals higher taxes for more than 5% of America. In other words: Obama is lying his ass off to get elected. Tell me this: 40% of American workers ALREADY don't pay Federal taxes. How is a tax CUT for them even possible.


Ok so let me get this straight you agree with Obama's plan to cut taxes, but you just don't think he can do it? Fair enough.

You're anti-free market and class warfare views are the anithesis of what once made America great. You're a friggin' socialist. How is your desire to engineer housing prices any different than price fixing labor markets? People who are renting or short a house have a RIGHT to buy on declines.


Ahhh see here is the difference between you and I. People like you for whatever reason don't seem to realize that the country and the world is changing every second of every day. You adopt one set of ideals and you promote them NO MATTER what the environment. I don't. I believe that the free market functions best with the least amount of regulation possible. I think america is great because of its innovative spirit, which regulation, by definition, opposes. However I realize that the hands-off approach works best for a TIME period until things get out of control as they CLEARLY have. At that time and AT THAT TIME only the government has to step in to rein in these out of control companies. After that the companies wll balk a bit, but years later they will be flourishing again and after that they will exploit the inevitable loopholes until things come crashing down, then the fed steps back in and so on and so forth. Yes free markets make our country great, yes the governments best place to be is on the sidelines, but unfortunately the federal government DOES HAVE ITS PLACE. For some reason people like you lack the ability to see the bigger picture. I understand and respect your point of view just like I understand Jefferson's, but I also understand Hamilton's. I realize that the reason there are state governments and federal governments, the reason the jefferson v hamilton debates never had a clear winner is because THERE IS NO CLEAR WINNER. Both are needed for a functioning society. Yet you cannot see this. You would rather play your part in the debate blindly without realizing the bigger picture: that its the compromise that keeps us from falling into tyranny or anarchy. Don't be a lemming.




My house has lost more in value than you're worth. Do I bitch? I could give two fucks. Markets are cyclical.

I built my 2nd house and its lost over 300k in value. Markets are cyclical for the reasons I stated above. What were YOU doing at 21?



I'm not going to work ONE ADDITIONAL DAY for the Federal government. I can't morally do it. Most of us can set up an offshore LLC-we'd gladly pay taxes on repatriated salary-and let the balance grow just as if it were domiciled in an IRA. I'll speak on behalf of the trading community to Big Brother:We pay you out of our charitable hearts.

Well thats nice of you. Unfortunately "charitable hearts" cannot be trusted to simply pay. everybody knows this. I can see it now "no more taxes! everyone just please be sure to give us some money"...that would work...




Obama's plan makes NO SENSE. Any plan that raises Federal taxes, Federal expenditures, Federal entitlements and Federal obligations is a horse shit plan that's last century.

Oh so now the plan makes no sense as opposed to you simply not believing he can do it...ok Do you not realize that things cost money? Everything that the government does, has to be paid for. Whether you like what they have done or you don't isn't the issue. The fact is that we now have a $10 trillion national debt. Once again, it doesn't matter whether you agree with the war in iraq (where a lot of it has been spent) or not. Its there and no matter how much you bitch its still going to be there. We have to start paying it down. I would love for increased revenue from a booming economy to pay for it, but thats obviously not happening. So yes we would like to raise taxes on the top 5% because they are theones who have the money. They have reaped the benefits of paying lower taxes and now we need them to pay a little more. Obama's proposal is still less tax on the rich than there was in the 90s. Yet you think its going to bring the whole country down. I prefer not owing trillions to foreign countries like China and Saudia Arabia. Maybe you like sticking your kids with the bill. I for one would like to start paying for that now and also for millions of other things we have to pay for.

 

[Allen3]

Quote from yayt:

Obama wants to cut taxes for 90% of Americans, no? And doesn't Obama want to cut taxes more than McCain does?

Don't let the deceptive ads fool you. Before jumping on me and calling me a liberal tree-hugger - look it up.

Already mentioned that earlier. I don't like pay offs for votes. What Obama is doing is like a car salesman giving you 500 bucks off then stick you with a 20% interest loan and 1000 signing fee. Oh and by the way the gas tank is full of sugar.

Taxes have no where to go but up to pay for all the crap he's going to hang around the American peoples necks for generations to come. If you believe otherwise your blinded by your $500 bonus. Like most Americans you can't see past next/last week.

JIM

 

[jonbig04]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

No, it's because we examined what he said and found it was a pack of lies and statistical manipulation.

Oh so you like Pabst now AGREE with what he says hes going to do..yet you just think he's lying. It amazing how you flip between the two.