Karen the "Supertrader"

The caller starts around the 18 min mark and it lasts about 10 minutes. Some interesting comments by Tom, in a nutshell:

* The documents (i.e. disclosure documents) were poorly structured
* Karen "underpaid" herself, and her payment structure was unconventional
* She didn't have proper legal advice
* She did something nobody had done before, by making $100 mil on the big S&P contract
* TOS had access to her account since they had to managing the risk
* Investors made money
* The SEC complaint will result in a settlement (since you "can't fight" the SEC)
* It's "sad" and "unfortunate"


He is just covering sadly without proof and evidence all of tom points are just his words which are worthless , her investors lost a shh load of money and she is a fraud .
 
Some interesting comments by Tom, in a nutshell:

I criticized Tom years ago. He didn't ask the right questions in the interview, the "trade small, trade often" mantra, the lack of his strategies' performance record,etc. He basically is leading the public to the butchers with his option promotion.

Why can't they discuss her strategy itself? Forget the fraud part and just discuss the options the way like we do. Now of course the end result could be showing just how dangerous options can be. And that just shows the whole problem with his show. The average Joe doesn't need to know about or actively trade options. Except maybe covered call writing...

One comment I might agree with though. The biggest investor was in Karen's fund right from the beginning, so he/she also made big returns before the loss. So it is possible that over the 3-4 years period the overall loss was very little, maybe 10% or not even that much...
 
it was interesting to hear TOM sold TOS to TDA because of an ongoing SEC case, what the ?

She seems like a classic case of the "movie rogue trader" and barrings bank. but she might not have had a criminal mind going into it.

And from personal experience the media seems to go for shock value without providing a 2 sided platform. and these click sites reprint anything so it spreads unfounded.

it seems a tad premature to point fingers at her charity and good will.

i mean who doesnt trade the standard 8 day vs 10 day roll for a million contracts 2000 pts otm. HA

I wonder if TOS would have or ever did sell her out?

and who broke this story a whistle blower? disgruntled trader? X employee?

The real question is does TOM give her a platform to defend herself, or does he take cover and remove her videos from tastytrade?
 
TOM should have her on .. and ask her the hard questions

it would either distance himself from her answers .. or defend her.

but either way .. it would be a high rated segment
 
TOM should have her on .. and ask her the hard questions

it would either distance himself from her answers .. or defend her.

but either way .. it would be a high rated segment

It would surely be a most watched segment!

I'm sure the attorneys have advised her not to comment during the SEC investigation.
 
it was interesting to hear TOM sold TOS to TDA because of an ongoing SEC case

Tom didn't sell anything to anyone. Tom was just one member of a group of people who developed and sold TOS to AT. Tom also did not receive 600 million dollars. The money was split among the team.
 
surprising to see some members on this thread not pegging her for a con from day 1.
If it seems too good to be true it is - especially in trader vendor land.
 
Apparently her name is Karen Sue Bruton and she is founder of the charity 'Just Hope International' and is listed as president of 'HOPE ADVISORS LLC' at:

http://www.nfa.futures.org/BasicNet/Details.aspx?entityid=9VPANMdQyO8=

So, she is a real person. However, this does not prove her investment results. Anyone who has watched the TV show 'American Greed' knows it is very easy to create a ponzi scheme and hide it for years, especially if you are good at shuffling paperwork (like a CPA) and keep your personal expenditures low. One of the best ways to stay under the radar is to do charity work. I really hate to accuse this woman of anything in the event that she is the rarefied real deal... but if she is not willing to produce audited returns then she shouldn't be doing trading interviews nor expect any respect from the trading community. Skepticism over her lack of verification is her own fault, and TastyTrade's fault.
this post from 2014 nailed it.
 
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