Karen the "Supertrader"

Who cares what her returns were from 2002-2007? It generally takes at LEAST 5 years to become a good trader...so they were probably not very good returns, and rightly so.

Quote from Pekelo:

For the lazy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXy9HoWX0es

OK, since most people didn't watch the video, the title of this thread AND the Youttube video are both missleading. Here is what happened:

2002 Opens account with 10K trades part time.

2007 Light bulb goes on and decides to go fulltime. She opens account with 100K. There is no indication of returns between 2002 and 2007!!!

2008 She makes 50%. When at 150K people gave her more money, so she ends up with 750-800K or so.

She keeps rising money and trade options, and end up with 80 million and 41 million of it is profit. There is no indication or mention of returns except once....So it is entirely possible she never had a bigger than 50-200% return...

Right now she is managing 160 mill and made 56 mill in a not clearly classified time period.
 
I am actually surprised how open she is about the strategy. Watching the videos and with a little option experience, it can be recreated fairly well. You would think that one with a killer strategy and results would be more secretive....

Anyway, since somebody asked:

Quote from Bry:

Who cares what her returns were from 2002-2007?

Well, I do. It is rather irrelevant compared to her fund managment, but it would show giant ballsiness and improvement if after 5 years of nothing she suddenly not just upped the account 10 times, but right away did a 50% return.
 
Quote from Pekelo:

I am actually surprised how open she is about the strategy. Watching the videos and with a little option experience, it can be recreated fairly well. You would think that one with a killer strategy and results would be more secretive....

Anyway, since somebody asked:



Well, I do. It is rather irrelevant compared to her fund managment, but it would show giant ballsiness and improvement if after 5 years of nothing she suddenly not just upped the account 10 times, but right away did a 50% return.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113413&perpage=30&pagenumber=2
 
Quote from Spectre2007:

shes selling lottery tickets.. like the local ..7 eleven.

haha but the diff is that the local 7-11 doesn't care if someone pays $1 and wins $100 million but she probably would care if she sold a bunch of outs for pennies that are now worth $10.

interesting how she started in 2002 - i wonder what would have happened to her superior strategy of selling puts when the market reopened after 9-11.
 
Quote from FrankSlaughtery:

haha but the diff is that the local 7-11 doesn't care if someone pays $1 and wins $100 million but she probably would care if she sold a bunch of outs for pennies that are now worth $10.

interesting how she started in 2002 - i wonder what would have happened to her superior strategy of selling puts when the market reopened after 9-11.

She does claim to have escaped the financial crisis in 2008. Given that she starts with 50% allocation, does this seem reasonable?
 
Quote from drmark27:

She does claim to have escaped the financial crisis in 2008. Given that she starts with 50% allocation, does this seem reasonable?

Not without some very specific explaining.

You can't have the S&P get cut in half and not blow up when you are picking up nickels in front of a steamroller...unless you have some rules that help you step away. Maybe that's the case, but I didn't hear that or see anyone elude to it here.

Either Taleb or Neiderhoffer once said..."When the school marm starts dancing on the table, it's time to leave the bar".
 
Quote from drmark27:

She does claim to have escaped the financial crisis in 2008. Given that she starts with 50% allocation, does this seem reasonable?

It could be pure luck. Some folks have lots of it in the market.

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