I suspect Sosnoff won't let the facts to confuse him. He claims for years that buying premium before earnings doesn't work. For years we debunked his "studies" one by one, but he is still not convinced.
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I don't think Sosnoff is a con at all. He actually believes his own limited mindset. He is very wealthy but the profits came from his brokerage business. Someone needs to remind him that his money came from selling a business and not using his current methods. When he was on the floor of the CBOE he did make money but the Bid/Ask was a mile wide even more so than today. His buddy Tony was selling jeans out of the back of a car in New York and ended up on the floor of the CBOE making money as well. The floor is gone and so is their edge.
Sosnoff has conviction because he really believes in his methods. He is turning everyone into mini-insurance companies with his methods. Sure, you get to collect premium every month and it feels like free money but those 2 and 3 standard deviation events roll around a few times a year and the majority of your profits are gone. Plus Tom advocated naked PUTs being sold. I could understand spreads but selling them naked is even more dangerous.
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Not only that, but he recommends selling naked options before earnings on high IV stocks and hold them through earnings. Ask those who held GOOG, AMZN or MSFT this last cycles. Didn't turn out too well.
Not necessary to wait for Taleb. Just check out how they interacted with Philip Maymin.
https://www.tastytrade.com/tt/shows...dr-philip-maymin-skew-10-22-2014?locale=en-US
...and then they never speak to him or of him ever again as best I can tell.
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I just rewatched that segment - I saw it live a long time ago as well and just wow, the TT boys really embarrassed themselves. Sosnoff does not have the background to hold this type of conversation.
MoneyMatthew's point that he does believe his own delusions I believe is right. It's the "Dunning-Kruger effect" which is not being smart enough to know what you don't know. A great entrepreneur, yes. Competent modern day trader? No.
MoneyMatthew's point that he does believe his own delusions I believe is right. It's the "Dunning-Kruger effect" which is not being smart enough to know what you don't know. A great entrepreneur, yes. Competent modern day trader? No.
Looks like there will be no court case, they reached a settlement 2 weeks ago:
"ORDER GRANTING127 Motion to Stay or Administratively Close pending Approval of Settlement . This matter shall be administratively closed until 14 days after the Securities and Exchange Commission has acted on its staff's recommendation to approve the proposed settlements in this matter. Signed by Judge Leigh Martin May"
"ORDER GRANTING127 Motion to Stay or Administratively Close pending Approval of Settlement . This matter shall be administratively closed until 14 days after the Securities and Exchange Commission has acted on its staff's recommendation to approve the proposed settlements in this matter. Signed by Judge Leigh Martin May"
No jail time and she keeps the money?
I don't have Pacer access, so I just quoted what little they show from the link posted in the very first post. I think the government realized that the average juror wouldn't understand derivatives lingo or how they work and wouldn't convict a nice grandma. The defense probably went with no acknowledgement of wrong doing and some kind of money payback, if they were able to do so.
Settlements are usually not public, so we may never know...
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public...xchange_Commission_v_Hope_Advisors,_LLC_et_al
I have PACER ... there are no additional submissions than the ones listed on the pacermonitor site you link to.
Can you check older ones? That might give us some clue...
The case was kind of closed on June 14th..
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