Just who are the bad guys in the polygamy case?

[trendlover]

Quote from ratboy88:

they bait and switched you. that is referring to arizona.

Ratboy, go to the Ross link above. Not the first link about welfare ,but general rickross.com site. There you will find lots of info on this cult and you will see how Warren Jeffs collected money from sects from different states to fund his ranch. And those states had many women collecting welfare. All of his money did not come from the military parts company. There are many, many recent articles about that cult. You may not try to defend them when you read more. It is terrible what they have done to women, young boys and girls. This is not propaganda, but fact.

www.rickross.com

 

[trendlover]

http://www.rickross.com/groups/polygamy.html

Here, so you do not have to search the ross site. Here are all articles about FDLS

 

[FightTheFuture]

Quote from ratboy88:

please cite the source for this info.. i have heard it from the media but i haven't seen it anywhere. i did hear about a contract they had in utah where they worked... and i have zero problem with that.

I wasn't referring specifically to FDLS and their YFZ Ranch, but that could be the case.

It's the irony that gets me. Government making polygamy illegal, yet providing welfare to, not all, but some members practicing polygamy.


Maybe specifically the YFZ ranch:
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/09/randi-kaye-are-you-paying-for-polygamy/


FDLS:
http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/ChartLinks/FLDSChurch.htm

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from trendlover:

http://www.rickross.com/groups/polygamy.html

Here, so you do not have to search the ross site. Here are all articles about FDLS

im not defending the whole sect. i am only wanting due process in the raid. all i hear from the media are accusations but they never back anything up. by linking all this stuff you have failed to show me what i asked for from the beginning.

show me proof that the YFZ ranch women were on welfare. thats all i ask... is that so hard? i am very open to it... i have been a vocal critic of mormonism for awhile. i just don't like the govt breaking the law and their poodle media lying for them.

i would be 100% against these women collecting food stamps.... but something tells me they aren't. maybe they are receiving some other types of welfare.. i just want to see the proof. i don't care about utah and arizona... they have nothing to do with the illegal raid.

 

[nutmeg]

Rat, question for ya.

When you refer to due process, are you specifically referring to due process for the children? How does the law interpret childrens due process? Is it the same as adults?

 

[nutmeg]

Maybe they will start up a huge bureaucracy with a polygamy czar and fight the war on polygamy like the war on drugs, poverty, which seems to be going so well, not.

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Like Viet nam. Take a hill, then retreat. Next day take the same hill. I've read some on the various wars (drugs, poverty, etc) the people who are/were commited to the cause ended up frustrated, unable to finsh what was started, somewhere someone higher up in the beaucracy always called for the retreat. The black hole of accountability, by design.

 

[trendlover]

Quote from ratboy88:

im not defending the whole sect. i am only wanting due process in the raid. all i hear from the media are accusations but they never back anything up. by linking all this stuff you have failed to show me what i asked for from the beginning.

show me proof that the YFZ ranch women were on welfare. thats all i ask... is that so hard? i am very open to it... i have been a vocal critic of mormonism for awhile. i just don't like the govt breaking the law and their poodle media lying for them.

i would be 100% against these women collecting food stamps.... but something tells me they aren't. maybe they are receiving some other types of welfare.. i just want to see the proof. i don't care about utah and arizona... they have nothing to do with the illegal raid.

The ranch in Texas was not raided because of possible welfare fraud, it was raided because of a phone call from a girl who claimed to be 16 and was beat up by her husband. Welfare fraud is the least of the worrys of people who have been abused.
Warren Jeffs who lead this particular texas group has already been put in jail. How much more evidence do you need to prove justification for the raid?

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from nutmeg:

Rat, question for ya.

When you refer to due process, are you specifically referring to due process for the children? How does the law interpret childrens due process? Is it the same as adults?

i was referring to the adults.

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from trendlover:

The ranch in Texas was not raided because of possible welfare fraud, it was raided because of a phone call from a girl who claimed to be 16 and was beat up by her husband. Welfare fraud is the least of the worrys of people who have been abused.
Warren Jeffs who lead this particular texas group has already been put in jail. How much more evidence do you need to prove justification for the raid?

well.. considering the phone call was a hoax and the sheriff's unnamed informant was working closely with this hoax'er/criminal.. i would say the warrant is void as hell now. btw, the hoax'er is an obama delegate.. i kid you not.


then you have the sheriff admitting he has been pressured by the locals in the past to raid the ranch. and not to be dismissed lightly, oil has recently been found next to the property... 200 yards from the property line. jeffs doesn't have mineral rights.. but he does have control of executive rights. who knows.. i think a lot more is to come.

 

[trendlover]

Quote from ratboy88:

well.. considering the phone call was a hoax and the sheriff's unnamed informant was working closely with this hoax'er/criminal.. i would say the warrant is void as hell now. btw, the hoax'er is an obama delegate.. i kid you not.

So say the warrant is void, and then the DNA tests show many girls who gave birth at 13, 14 15 years old, and the fathers are much older, and those same fathers are proved through DNA to have many other children with many different women of young ages who are thier wives, BUT becasue the warrent is void, they all get off and go back to their compound where they continue to brainswash little boys and girls to benefit a few. Is that good? These men have many wives and its illegal, but it is ignored. They have many children who not always can be taken care of.