Just to prove gun control nuts are full of shit

Quote from L-Kabong:



How much is AR15 today? If it were outlawed what do you think the cost of it would be on the black market? Would you buy an outlawed firearm?

An AR15 has an average price of around $800-$1000. It would, no doubt, jump were you to only be able to get them illegally. Would I, personally, buy an outlawed firearm? It would depend. As it stands now, I don't need to, since I have my own.

Would a criminal intent on killing someone, committing a mass murder and them killing himself care about it? Not at all. Thus, it would not stop what you are trying to get it to stop.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

An AR15 has an average price of around $800-$1000. It would, no doubt, jump were you to only be able to get them illegally. Would I, personally, buy an outlawed firearm? It would depend. As it stands now, I don't need to, since I have my own.

Would a criminal intent on killing someone, committing a mass murder and them killing himself care about it? Not at all. Thus, it would not stop what you are trying to get it to stop.
IMHO a full auto m-16 isn't worth a thousand bucks.
 
Quote from RedDuke:

Not true, reasonable bans work, like a ban to own bazookas. I do not see them easily and readily available. Same would be with military grade rifles if there were banned few decades ago.

The bazooka argument is a completely ridiculous. I ignored it before, but you seem hell-bent on using it, so let's talk about how stupid it is.

The reason bazookas are not an issue is because of applicable use. There's just no market for it. If there were, there would be a way to get it. What would you use a bazooka for that you couldn't just use a gun, or an explosive for? There are no tanks on our streets, and no need for rocket propelled grenades. The reason no one goes for them is because there is simply no use for them. Psychopaths want to kill people, not blow up armor cav units. Get real, man.

I also noticed you still didn't address my drugs argument. This is probably because you cannot.
 
Quote from RedDuke:

Did you ever try to smuggle a rocket into US?
Not personally no
I doubt it, so you just speculating that it is easy. I think you are wrong on the simplicity of such action.
Tons literally TONS of illegal/"banned" contraband are smuggled into this country every year.
What makes a small rocket supposedly so difficult?

The psychos surely would not be able to do it. Similar would be with the rifles that we discuss, if they were banned 30 years ago.
How about we "ban"/address the psychos committing the mass murders?
That is the real problem, isn't it?
 
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

IMHO a full auto m-16 isn't worth a thousand bucks.

Perhaps, but he said AR-15, and the many different brands of those will average between 800-1000 - again, on average. You can buy an HK for a lot more than a Colt.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

Not personally noTons literally TONS of illegal/"banned" contraband are smuggled into this country every year.
What makes a small rocket supposedly so difficult?


How about we "ban"/address the psychos committing the mass murders?
That is the real problem, isn't it?


You don't have to smuggle jack into the US. There are plenty of military leaks of hardware out there for the right price. But the question still remains: WHY? What would you need a "Bazooka" (which isn't even an accurate term anymore) for? If you want to take out a plane because you are a terrorist, you could easily acquire an IGLA if money wasn't an object. When was the last time that happened domestically?

Let's stop with the make pretend bullshit and focus on the topic of the OP.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Red Duke,

Let me take another shot at explaining my position. It's twofold. One, I don't like my rights being constrained by the possible actions of the irresponsible or the dysfunctional. A proper approach is to address the actual problem they are creating rather than burdening law-abiding, responsible people.

Unfortunately, liberals seem to instinctively take the oppsite approach. They impose restrictions on law-abiding people instead of addressing the problem headon. With firearms, it's largely concerned criminals in the past. Liberals want to ban all sorts of guns on the rationale that criminals might get them, but they recoil at the idea of imposing harsh prison sentences on actual criminals. The NRA has long supported enhance sentences for using guns in violent crimes.

Now we have these mass killings. In terms of the actual numbers, they pale in comparison to the body counts in major cities like Chicago, run by liberal democrats in perpetuity. Yet liberal pols seize on them to use the emotional horror to push through gun controls they could not otherwise pass. I find that tactic odious, and I have little respect for politicians who succumb to it.

The appropriate response is to look at the actual incidents and see what we can do to prevent them. Clearly nothing in any proposed new gun law would have prevented the school shooting. The guns were legally owned. No one is seriously proposing confiscation of hundreds of thousands of legally owned AR15's.

Why can't we focus instead on measures that could provide immediate benefit and on which both sides can agree? Measures like enhanced school security, better training of teachers and student and tighter monitoring of young men with mental health issues. This tragedy would have been prevented by a school door that was somewhat more secure. We spent billions on making every sidewalk in america handicap accessible but we can't spend a little money to secure schools?

The second reason I oppose your suggestions is the slippery slope argument. Once they ban 30 round mags, the next time it will be 10 round mags are too large. After all, who needs more than five? They ban AR15's and AK's, next it will be semi auto and pump shotguns. Who needs that much firepower? Certainly not Nancy Pelosi. She has private security.

This is the flip side of the abortion debate. Liberals fiercely oppose even the most reasonable restrictions because they fear the next step. So they get into ridiculous positions where, like Obama did, they support killing aborted babies who somehow survived.

I don't doubt your good intentions, but I do doubt the good intentions of those pushing ever greater gun restrictions. Their goal is a total prohibition on private ownership and confiscation. The best defense against that is not to give an inch.

Now this is a serious response with many valid points.

I understand your point about giving in any ground. Today we limit to 10 bullets, then 5 , then 1....

But this is my point, certain things are reasonable certain not.

If we want a serious solution for these mass shooting any ban and background checks need to go along with things that you mentioned. Better school security, at least one or few personnel with a carry, central mental patient DB and so on.

When all these things put together, we will have as good as it gets. Yes, the tragedies can still happen, but the society will be better equipped to respond, and the balance between rights and safety is there.

If all of the above was in place, CT tragedy would have been on a much smaller scale.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

You can buy an AK for a lot less. Not as accurate, arguably more reliable.

You can buy a lot of Russian arms online for cheap. A Mosin-Nagant for example, right now, for $100.
 
Quote from RedDuke:


But this is my point, certain things are reasonable certain not.

This is another argument you try all the time. You seem to think you have the right to say what is or is not reasonable and we should all accept it. What gave you the right to dictate what is reasonable to us?

Quote from RedDuke:


If all of the above was in place, CT tragedy would have been on a much smaller scale.

Speculation (again) with absolutely no proof.
 
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