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[Trader666]

Once again you prove you don't know your ass from your elbow.

There are still roughly 50,000 service members in Iraq and many of them are in fact combat troops. They've just been renamed because the mission has officially changed from "combat operations" to "stability operations."

For example, units like the following are there now and are combat troops no matter what you call them: the 2nd Stryker Advise and Assist Brigade, 25th Infantry Division; 1st Advise and Assist Task Force, 1st Armored Division; 1st Enhanced Combat Aviation Brigade, 1st Infantry Division, etc. Not to mention that Special Ops are still actively conducting combat operations.

This is even worse than Bush's "mission accomplished" gaffe because at least he was sincere... in this case, we're deliberately being misled.

Quote from bigdavediode:

Partial? The last combat troops left Iraq weeks ago, back in August.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Trader666:

Once again you prove you don't know your ass from your elbow.

There are still roughly 50,000 service members in Iraq and many of them are in fact combat troops. They've just been renamed because the mission has officially changed from "combat operations" to "stability operations."

Nothing that you've written changes anything whatsoever. Nobody's claiming that everybody with a weapon has been withdrawn.

So, trying to keep on topic, this adds to the deficit in the short term and reduces it in the longer term.

And more on topic, this is what fiscal conservatives like. You can recognize someone who likes to blow away money when they complain about troop drawdowns.

 

[Trader666]

Oh please... are you really so stupid to think that you posting something makes it so? Or are you trying to lie your way out of being exposed as a dumbass yet again.

According to projections from Odumba's latest budget, the deficit declines to "only" $706 billion in 2014 and starts rising again to over $1 trillion in 2020.

Quote from bigdavediode:

You're playing this game again?

Troop withdrawals cost money over the term of the withdrawal. Over the LONGER TERM, as I stated, they will reduce costs and thereby reduce the deficit.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Free Thinker:

republicans are hypocrites. they have no idea where to cut spending. they are just playing on the angers of gullible americans to get elected.
here they are squirming when asked exactly where they will cut spending:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl-qPE8AfqQ&feature=player_embedded


Chris Wallace asked Fiorina over and over again to name just one program she'd cut. Nada. Zilch. Zip. Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BesYn5--wxk&feature=player_embedded

Interesting, but not surprising. Republicans like to write checks, but don't like to pay the bills.

 

[phenomena]

Once again we have gaydave squirming to save his argument. At least he hasn't resorted to retroactively changing his claims via the edit post feature like he has in other arguments where he gets his ass kicked...

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Trader666:

Oh please... are you really so stupid to think that you posting something makes it so? Or are you trying to lie your way out of being exposed as a dumbass yet again.

According to projections from Odumba's latest budget, the deficit declines to "only" $706 billion in 2014 and starts rising again to over $1 trillion in 2020.

If you believe that non-alternative budget projection deficits in 2014 have something to do with troop withdrawals then you are so confused I can't even begin to address your points.

 

[Trader666]

Nonsense. You wrote: "The last combat troops left Iraq weeks ago, back in August." Which of course is bullshit like so much of what you write.

Quote from bigdavediode:
Second line edited for accuracy.
Nothing that you've written changes anything whatsoever. Nobody's claiming that everybody with a weapon has been withdrawn.

So, trying to <del> keep on </del> change the topic...

 

[phenomena]

August 31 was the deadline for withdrawing US combat troops from Iraq. Although President Obama says he achieved that goal, over 50,000 regular troops remain there, nominally providing training and support. They are however, armed and will accompany the Iraqi military on some missions. About 5000 special forces troops also remain there, helping Iraqi forces find and capture or kill insurgents.

The 50,000 regular military forces are scheduled to return home by the end of 2011, but the Iraqi Defense Minister Abdul-Qadir al-Ubaidi does not believe that deadline. He argues that a US military presence in Iraq will be needed for several years — “maybe endlessly” (see article excerpted below).

Moreover, according to Antonia Julhasz, oil industry analyst for GlobalExchange.org and author of The Tyranny of Oil, in addition to the US military forces staying in Iraq, about twice as many private military companies (PMCs) also remain there. Many of these are essentially mercenaries who work for companies like Xe Services (formerly Blackwater), Titan Corporation, Pathfinder Security Services, DynCorp, and Aegis Defence Services (UK). There is no stated deadline for removal of PMCs from Iraq.

 

[Trader666]

LMAO!!! You can try to lie and obfuscate your way out of this as much as you like but you've been exposed as an ignoramus and troll yet again.

This is what you said (color emphasis is mine):

The point is that what you've advocated, he's done, which has raised the deficit in the current year but lowered it in the longer term.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2985515#post2985515

And deficit projections from Odumba's budget prove you wrong. Keep digging, littledaviedumbass, we're enjoying the show.

Quote from bigdavediode:

If you believe that non-alternative budget projection deficits in 2014 have something to do with troop withdrawals then you are so confused I can't even begin to address your points.

 

[Trader666]

Actually this has been misrepresented and not challenged by the state-run media. Units like the following are there now and are COMBAT FORCES no matter what Odumba or anyone else calls them: the 2nd Stryker Advise and Assist Brigade, 25th Infantry Division; 1st Advise and Assist Task Force, 1st Armored Division; 1st Enhanced Combat Aviation Brigade, 1st Infantry Division, etc.

Quote from phenomena:

August 31 was the deadline for withdrawing US combat troops from Iraq. Although President Obama says he achieved that goal, over 50,000 regular troops remain there, nominally providing training and support. They are however, armed and will accompany the Iraqi military on some missions. About 5000 special forces troops also remain there, helping Iraqi forces find and capture or kill insurgents.