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[Lucrum]

Quote from bigdavediode:

The military, for one. Your free hover-round, for two. Your prescription drug coverage, etc. etc.

Pull out of Iraq, Afghanistan and stop protecting the world.

I don't have, want or need a hover-round.

I get no federal money for any health care of any kind that I'm aware of.

Try harder next time davie political diode.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Lucrum:

Pull out of Iraq, Afghanistan and stop protecting the world.

That's fine, and it would help, yes. However the pullouts themselves cost a great deal of money, as in Iraq.

So in the short term your policies might actually increase the deficit.

 

[Yannis]

I would pull a few thousand soldiers out of Germany first, just a skeleton crew there to handle transportation to Asia when/if need arises.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Yannis:

I would pull a few thousand soldiers out of Germany first, just a skeleton crew there to handle transportation to Asia when/if need arises.

And you would be attacked (likely by Republicans) for being soft on defense, so you can see why cuts are somewhat difficult.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from bigdavediode:

So in the short term your policies might actually increase the deficit.

Short term/sighted thinking/policies is largely why we're 13 trillion in debt with a huge annual deficit to boot.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Lucrum:

Short term/sighted thinking/policies is largely why we're 13 trillion in debt with a huge annual deficit to boot.

Um, so Obama should or shouldn't have pulled the troops out of Iraq even though it added to costs this year?

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Um, so Obama should or shouldn't have pulled the troops out of Iraq even though it added to costs this year?

He should have pulled them out LAST year. And he should pull out a good percentage of the 50,000 still there doing exactly the same thing they have been doing for years now.

Are you seriously arguing troops should be left in the field simply because it cost money to pull them out? Are you suggesting the pullout is more expensive than staying deployed?

Or do you just like arguing?

 

[Trader666]

You never did say what your piece of the pie is BTW.

Calling yourself "extremely fiscally conservative" after writing things like, "so far, so good on the Democrats' budget" is like calling dogshit chocolate pudding. Tax and spend liberal is more like it. Which, coincidentally, has a lot in common with dogshit.

Quote from bigdavediode:

everybody wants their piece of the pie protected

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Lucrum:

He should have pulled them out LAST year. And he should pull out a good percentage of the 50,000 still there doing exactly the same thing they have been doing for years now.

Are you seriously arguing troops should be left in the field simply because it cost money to pull them out? Are you suggesting the pullout is more expensive than staying deployed?

Or do you just like arguing?

Yes, a pullout is more expensive than staying deployed. Equipment has to be moved, transportation has to be provided, fuel, planning, budgets have to be made, materials have to be shipped, food supplies have to be changed, equipment and assets have to be mothballed, etc. etc. etc.

Much more expensive.

As for "he should have pulled the troops out last year" -- the Republicans attacked the very idea, even the thought, of a pullout last year.

The point is that what you've advocated, he's done, which has raised the deficit in the current year but lowered it in the longer term.

 

[Trader666]

Nonsense. This chart is a bit dated but the deficit projections from Obama's latest budget start increasing again in 2015 like here, getting back over $1 trillion again in 2020. Which is NOT what you claimed.

Quote from bigdavediode:

The point is that what you've advocated, he's done, which has raised the deficit in the current year but lowered it in the longer term.