Just a flu bro...literally

The moment the federal government utters the word "emergency" your civil "rights" and your property "rights" amount to exactly jack.

We just saw what happened over what essentially was a small scale event. Grocery stores emptied for no compelling reason. Lone hikers and surfers arrested. People prevented from accessing their cabins and vacation homes. Mask police. Economic chaos for millions.

Imagine what would ensue in an *actual* emergency. Nobody is laughing at the preppers now.

In engineering to test something, physically or mathematically, we hit it with a hammer and look at what happens. Its called an impulse response and it gives you the transfer function of what you hit with the hammer telling you everything about it.

The hammer has hit the object and what is clear is that our system is very very fragile. Any real calamity would make our system fail big time. Its not the disaster that kills you its the crazy reaction of millions of irrational people around you that is scary.
 
I found this on twitter. Not sure if it is accurate. If it is accurate, it looks like covid-19 cures heart disease, cancer, Alzheimers, etc.

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WeToddDid2 said:
I found this on twitter. Not sure if it is accurate. If it is accurate, it looks like covid-19 cures heart disease, cancer, Alzheimers, etc.

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I found no graph or data in the NY Times death rate articles that resemble this. I question the source of this graph.
 
Tsing Tao said:
Stop. Just stop. I already said that if a place of business violates established laws, then it gives up its right to run a business. Just like in El Ocho's examples when someone breaks the law by shooting someone, they don't get the right to own a gun anymore. This is obvious.


Again, you're missing the one critical factor that due process wasn't given to restrict these rights. It was just dictated to the people from the government. That isn't how any of this works. And if you believe it is, you really need to read your Constitutional Law.



This is just dumb. First, people aren't "coughing all over each other". Second, it doesn't kill you. An infected person intentionally infecting others can be held liable and there are court cases where this has happened. But people blow smoke in my face, and cigarette smoke is known to kill, but that hasn't led to locking us all up. All it led to was the establishment of a non-smoking section!



It doesn't matter why they are closing all of the places of business. But they are doing so and denying people the ability to earn a living. Period, end of story. Wall paper it however you wish. You said no one is taking away the right to work. But they are.
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Now you bring up due process. This is the extension of your claim to a "Right to Employment." They closed many businesses at Ground Zero when there was asbestos floating in the air. Are you saying they violated everyone's rights? Perhaps. But was it necessary to promote safety? To clean up the area. To ensure no one got hurt if other buildings collapses? Don't they mandate hurricane evacuations? Is that a violation of your rights?

It ABSOLUTELY matters why they are closing places of business. All those above reasons are justifiable for restricting travel and/or employment.

As I said earlier, this viewpoint is an obfuscation of the real question: should we sacrifice lives in favor of GDP? You are trying to make a moral argument rather than a practical one. Its clear you favor the GDP and are trying to justify the potentially 10,000's of deaths or more on philosophical grounds.

Btw - speaking of rights, remember when you said that it was okay if homeless people were denied the right to vote if voter id laws couldn't account for their situation?
 
Banjo said:
Apparently variant strains are responsible for more egregious infections in N.Y. rendering comparative values with Calif. impossible.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/21/coro...ains-deadliest-raging-across-europe-12586269/
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I have little doubt the thing I, father in law, friend, his father in law got last Christmas was a cousin of covid 19 but not as contagious. If not it is a hell of a coincidence. Never been to 104 with the flu and my friend was 104.5.

Father in law not sure but he had the AC on at max for two days.
 
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