judge not moving 10 commandments statue from u.s.a. gov. property
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Well you are free to believe this.
But as I stated earlier, pride is irrelevant to the discussion.
Doubter is doing nothing more than poisoning the well.
Attempting to imply that my arguments are not sound
simply because I may be prideful.
It simply doesnt matter.
I could freely admit that I am in a flood of personal pride,
and it does not detract from the weight of my position a single gram.
Even a compulsive liar can tell the truth sometimes.
An argument must be challenged on it's merits alone.
But this brings up an interesting point.
What is so bad about pride?
Obviously, some religious people consider it a sin.
But who cares...they are wrong about all kinds of stuff.
Definition:
Pride: A sense of one's own proper dignity or value; self-respect.
Valuing yourself is bad?
Having self respect is bad?
I think not. Yet another thing I disagree with religion on.
peace
axeman
But as I stated earlier, pride is irrelevant to the discussion.
Doubter is doing nothing more than poisoning the well.
Attempting to imply that my arguments are not sound
simply because I may be prideful.
It simply doesnt matter.
I could freely admit that I am in a flood of personal pride,
and it does not detract from the weight of my position a single gram.
Even a compulsive liar can tell the truth sometimes.
An argument must be challenged on it's merits alone.
But this brings up an interesting point.
What is so bad about pride?
Obviously, some religious people consider it a sin.
But who cares...they are wrong about all kinds of stuff.
Definition:
Pride: A sense of one's own proper dignity or value; self-respect.
Valuing yourself is bad?
Having self respect is bad?
I think not. Yet another thing I disagree with religion on.
peace
axeman
And WHO should judge then, if not myself?
This is absolutely ridiculous.
Am I supposed to find someone ELSE to challenge
shaky beliefs and have someone ELSE judge
the results?
Just what are you trying to say?
I should turn off my brain, and simply hope the answer
appears in my head???
peace
axeman
This is absolutely ridiculous.
Am I supposed to find someone ELSE to challenge
shaky beliefs and have someone ELSE judge
the results?
Just what are you trying to say?
I should turn off my brain, and simply hope the answer
appears in my head???
peace
axeman
Definition:
Pride: A sense of one's own proper dignity or value; self-respect.
axeman
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You should post a more complete list of definitions that is why I asked you in one of my "dodges" for your definition.
Pride: 1. The quality or state of being proud: as a: inordinate self esteem: conceit b: a reasonable or justifiable self respect c: delight or elation arising from some act, possession, or relationship
2. proud or disdainful behavoir or treatment : Disdain
3. a: Ostentatious display b: highest pitch : prime
4. a source of pride, the best in a group or class
5. a company of lions
6. a showy or impressive group.
I am referring to 1.a:, 2. and 3.a:
Pride is absolutely at the core and center of this whole thing. Neither God nor zeus owe you anything at all and by demanding they prove themselves to you to receive your approval certainly fits under "inordinate self esteem" and "ostentatious display".
This also goes to the core of the theist contention that the atheist puts himself (man) at the center of everything and that everything revolves around him and must be proven to his satisfaction. This is at the very center of being anti-God which is what I thought atheism was.
Pride: A sense of one's own proper dignity or value; self-respect.
axeman
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You should post a more complete list of definitions that is why I asked you in one of my "dodges" for your definition.
Pride: 1. The quality or state of being proud: as a: inordinate self esteem: conceit b: a reasonable or justifiable self respect c: delight or elation arising from some act, possession, or relationship
2. proud or disdainful behavoir or treatment : Disdain
3. a: Ostentatious display b: highest pitch : prime
4. a source of pride, the best in a group or class
5. a company of lions
6. a showy or impressive group.
I am referring to 1.a:, 2. and 3.a:
Pride is absolutely at the core and center of this whole thing. Neither God nor zeus owe you anything at all and by demanding they prove themselves to you to receive your approval certainly fits under "inordinate self esteem" and "ostentatious display".
This also goes to the core of the theist contention that the atheist puts himself (man) at the center of everything and that everything revolves around him and must be proven to his satisfaction. This is at the very center of being anti-God which is what I thought atheism was.
And WHO should judge then, if not myself?
This is absolutely ridiculous.
Am I supposed to find someone ELSE to challenge
shaky beliefs and have someone ELSE judge
the results?
Just what are you trying to say?
I should turn off my brain, and simply hope the answer
appears in my head???
axeman
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God (or Zeus) have on their terms revealed all about themselves that they think you need to know to make a decision on whether to believe in them or reject them. You certainly may judge that revelation and are perfectly free to reject them, that is your choice and right. But to demand more to satisfy you
changes the whole dynamic of who god is and who you think you are.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
Am I supposed to find someone ELSE to challenge
shaky beliefs and have someone ELSE judge
the results?
Just what are you trying to say?
I should turn off my brain, and simply hope the answer
appears in my head???
axeman
__________________________________________
God (or Zeus) have on their terms revealed all about themselves that they think you need to know to make a decision on whether to believe in them or reject them. You certainly may judge that revelation and are perfectly free to reject them, that is your choice and right. But to demand more to satisfy you
changes the whole dynamic of who god is and who you think you are.
"This is at the very center of being anti-God which is what I thought atheism was."
Incorrect. Atheism is nothing more than a LACK of belief
in dieties.
"
Pride is absolutely at the core and center of this whole thing...... "inordinate self esteem" and "ostentatious display". "
Inordinate self esteem? How so?
Because I do not worship fairytales?
Ostentatious display? How so?
Simply because I challenge what I believe to be fairy tales?
Once again... the only reason you consider this prideful
at all is BECAUSE YOU ALREADY BELIEAVE IN GOD.
Challenging something you consider a myth, or demanding
more evidence from a mythical being, is not in any way prideful.
It is ONLY prideful from the perspective
of the person who BELIEVES in the mythology.
Thats my point. Your label of prideful is only your opinion,
and only makes sense from YOUR point of you.
From an atheists point of view, it doesn't fit the definition.
So we can just disagree here.
peace
axeman
Incorrect. Atheism is nothing more than a LACK of belief
in dieties.
"
Pride is absolutely at the core and center of this whole thing...... "inordinate self esteem" and "ostentatious display". "
Inordinate self esteem? How so?
Because I do not worship fairytales?
Ostentatious display? How so?
Simply because I challenge what I believe to be fairy tales?
Once again... the only reason you consider this prideful
at all is BECAUSE YOU ALREADY BELIEAVE IN GOD.
Challenging something you consider a myth, or demanding
more evidence from a mythical being, is not in any way prideful.
It is ONLY prideful from the perspective
of the person who BELIEVES in the mythology.
Thats my point. Your label of prideful is only your opinion,
and only makes sense from YOUR point of you.
From an atheists point of view, it doesn't fit the definition.
So we can just disagree here.
peace
axeman
Thats my point. Your label of prideful is only your opinion,
and only makes sense from YOUR point of you.
axemsn
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Point of you or point of view?
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This is at the very center of being anti-God which is what I thought atheism was."
Incorrect. Atheism is nothing more than a LACK of belief
in dieties.
axeman
________________________________
anti-God or LACK of belief in dieties. What's the difference?
The whole question is who is at the center and that defines the pride.
and only makes sense from YOUR point of you.
axemsn
_______________________________
Point of you or point of view?
__________________________________
This is at the very center of being anti-God which is what I thought atheism was."
Incorrect. Atheism is nothing more than a LACK of belief
in dieties.
axeman
________________________________
anti-God or LACK of belief in dieties. What's the difference?
The whole question is who is at the center and that defines the pride.
Correction: Point of view.
"anti-God or LACK of belief in deities. What's the difference?
The whole question is who is at the center and that defines the pride"
Big difference.
Are you anti-unicorns because you are a-unicornian
and don't believe in unicorns?
Are you anti-peter-pan because you lack belief
in peter pan?
No... you simply lack belief in the existence of peter pan
and unicorns. This does not make you anti anything.
Anti-god, would be something more like satanism.
Who is at the center? ME. Who else?
If you are defining all men as prideful who question,
then by your definition I am prideful, and so is EVERY
rational person on earth who questions.
If you define all non-believers as prideful, BECAUSE
they only have themselves to depend on, and no external
supernatural beings to depend on, then all non-believers
are prideful as well, by your definition.
Obviously, I see no wrong in a person who is self-reliant
and uses REASON to determine right and wrong, and who
QUESTIONS all things as inquisitive, rational people do.
You may apply the negative label of pride to it, but realize
that some see it as a virtue, and use positive definitions
of pride, as in SELF confident.
peace
axeman
"anti-God or LACK of belief in deities. What's the difference?
The whole question is who is at the center and that defines the pride"
Big difference.
Are you anti-unicorns because you are a-unicornian
and don't believe in unicorns?
Are you anti-peter-pan because you lack belief
in peter pan?
No... you simply lack belief in the existence of peter pan
and unicorns. This does not make you anti anything.
Anti-god, would be something more like satanism.
Who is at the center? ME. Who else?
If you are defining all men as prideful who question,
then by your definition I am prideful, and so is EVERY
rational person on earth who questions.
If you define all non-believers as prideful, BECAUSE
they only have themselves to depend on, and no external
supernatural beings to depend on, then all non-believers
are prideful as well, by your definition.
Obviously, I see no wrong in a person who is self-reliant
and uses REASON to determine right and wrong, and who
QUESTIONS all things as inquisitive, rational people do.
You may apply the negative label of pride to it, but realize
that some see it as a virtue, and use positive definitions
of pride, as in SELF confident.
peace
axeman
Obviously, I see no wrong in a person who is self-reliant
and uses REASON to determine right and wrong, and who
QUESTIONS all things as inquisitive, rational people do.
You may apply the negative label of pride to it, but realize
that some see it as a virtue, and use positive definitions
of pride, as in SELF confident.
axeman
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If what you said is what you did then your pride would not be so visible. Questioning is not wrong and the pride you display is negative. Just go back to your post with the stained glass window. (I am not of that faith so it doesn't effect me) But you say you only question and seek answers which is true as far as it goes but what about all the asides that are supposed to ridicule someone or what they believe or your desire to identify yourself with the more intelligent, that is where you step over the line and if you don't know that you surely have a problem. Self is on display, that is pride. Ridiculing others to make yourself look better is called pride in nearly all circles. If this is what atheism is all about them count me out, even from a human perspective.
and uses REASON to determine right and wrong, and who
QUESTIONS all things as inquisitive, rational people do.
You may apply the negative label of pride to it, but realize
that some see it as a virtue, and use positive definitions
of pride, as in SELF confident.
axeman
_____________________________________
If what you said is what you did then your pride would not be so visible. Questioning is not wrong and the pride you display is negative. Just go back to your post with the stained glass window. (I am not of that faith so it doesn't effect me) But you say you only question and seek answers which is true as far as it goes but what about all the asides that are supposed to ridicule someone or what they believe or your desire to identify yourself with the more intelligent, that is where you step over the line and if you don't know that you surely have a problem. Self is on display, that is pride. Ridiculing others to make yourself look better is called pride in nearly all circles. If this is what atheism is all about them count me out, even from a human perspective.