judge not moving 10 commandments statue from u.s.a. gov. property
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You seem awful in a hurry to knowYou're thirsty for knowledge... I like that.
I'll let you know when I find the resources again.
So you made a statement that your not sure is true or not??? You need to go research it......Im trying to make the point that much of what we do is based on faith in what we read
You are a disgrace to all TM monikers all over ET!
...BTW, Im thinking of bringing a suit up against you for trademark infringement...I used TM long before you arrived....Well, I hope you do your research and post your findings here next week, i really do....I love these types of debates and believe they actually strengthen my belief and faith......Im off for the weekend now so may God continue to bless the USA, and especially the ROCK and You LOL!!!...Seriously though, great discussion everybody and hardly any name calling...have a good weekend!peace
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You are a disgrace to all TM monikers all over ET!
peace
I don't BELIEVE my TM has the same meaning as your TM.
(You see I do believe sometimes)
Yeah, I'm not sure just what Kristof was thinking making a reference to Islam that doesn't portray it in the most glowing light. His lib buddies aren't going to like that one. I expect a full page retraction with multiple references to Columbia professors proving how Islam is really the most peaceful religion of all time. Any day now.
As a side note, as a reformed atheist (though not a Christian) I can assure you that science has certainly not "nailed down" the nature of evolution nor is it able to come to grips with -- and thus just casually dismisses -- the teleogical implications of it. But the nature of the universe's origins are beside the point here. Whatever they are, I find it hard to see how it justifies the constant pounding that libs give Christians. It's even more ridiculous when you compare the qualities and values of Christians -- love, family unity, social cohesion, law, justice -- with the groups they endlessly express their unabashed admiration for.
look at these moron protesters getting dragged away by cops.. haha
I have to ask a question: what is the agenda of a) the religious right and b) the Atheist radicals?
Seems like they both devote a lot of time toward a) putting up these statues and b) taking them back down
Im questioning the motivation of both......seems like they both are after something.????
AAAintheBeltway posted in part:
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"Get the religious [stuff] out of government" might get you a round of applause at an ACLU meeting but it is totally out of step with the history and traditions of this country. The Founders were heavily influenced by religion, and many of the religious traditions incorporated in our government originated with them.
The First Amendment bars two things regarding religion: "an establishment of religion" and "restricting the free exercise thereof." The first prohibition bars a state church or a religious test for office. It has never been interpreted to mean that any trace of religious faith or expression must be cleansed from government.
The 10 Commandments case does not involve federal property at all. It involves a state courthouse. The chief judge had a monument erected that was intended to reflect the 10 Commandments' influence as a source of morally based law. Predictably, groups that want to expunge religion from our public life objected and found some judge who ordered it taken down. A three judge federal appeals court agreed. The state judge has refused to comply.
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There is an interesting piece of architecture in the U.S. House Chamber. I was fortunate to be able to sit in the Speaker's Chair several times and look at it. As the Speaker or anyone speaking from the well of the chamber looks out and up, he sees facing him in bas-relief (I think that is the correct term) the faces of 23 lawgivers. 22 of them face to the side and the one in the middle going eyeball to eyeball with the speaker is none other than the guy who went up the hill for the currently controversial 10 Commandments (no not Charlton Heston), Moses.
I don't see much difference in having him in the very place where we make our laws than having the commandments placed in the courts where the legal process is carried out. A lot of our laws derive from religion.
FYI- the other 22 are and a best estimate of when they lived:
Hammurabi
c. 1792-1750 B.C.
Moses
c. 1350-1250 B.C.
Saint Louis
1214-1270
Lycurgus
c. 900 B.C.
Solon
c. 638-599 B.C.
Gaius
c. 110-180
Papinian
c. 146-212
Justinian I
c. 483-565
Tribonian
c. 500-547
Maimonides
c. 1135-1204
Gregory IX
c. 1147-1241
Innocent III
1161-1216
Simon de Montfort
1200-1265
Alfonso X
1221-1284
Edward I
1239-1307
Suleiman
1494-1566
Hugo Grotius
1583-1645
Jean Baptiste Colbert
1619-1683
Robert Joseph Pothier
1699-1772
Sir William Blackstone
1723-1780
George Mason
1726-1792
Thomas Jefferson
1743-1826
Napoleon I
1769-1821
Note, the list is far from devoid of major religious figures, and includes a Jewish philosopher, as well as a couple of Popes. Hardly devoid of religion.
DS
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"Get the religious [stuff] out of government" might get you a round of applause at an ACLU meeting but it is totally out of step with the history and traditions of this country. The Founders were heavily influenced by religion, and many of the religious traditions incorporated in our government originated with them.
The First Amendment bars two things regarding religion: "an establishment of religion" and "restricting the free exercise thereof." The first prohibition bars a state church or a religious test for office. It has never been interpreted to mean that any trace of religious faith or expression must be cleansed from government.
The 10 Commandments case does not involve federal property at all. It involves a state courthouse. The chief judge had a monument erected that was intended to reflect the 10 Commandments' influence as a source of morally based law. Predictably, groups that want to expunge religion from our public life objected and found some judge who ordered it taken down. A three judge federal appeals court agreed. The state judge has refused to comply.
"
There is an interesting piece of architecture in the U.S. House Chamber. I was fortunate to be able to sit in the Speaker's Chair several times and look at it. As the Speaker or anyone speaking from the well of the chamber looks out and up, he sees facing him in bas-relief (I think that is the correct term) the faces of 23 lawgivers. 22 of them face to the side and the one in the middle going eyeball to eyeball with the speaker is none other than the guy who went up the hill for the currently controversial 10 Commandments (no not Charlton Heston), Moses.
I don't see much difference in having him in the very place where we make our laws than having the commandments placed in the courts where the legal process is carried out. A lot of our laws derive from religion.
FYI- the other 22 are and a best estimate of when they lived:
Hammurabi
c. 1792-1750 B.C.
Moses
c. 1350-1250 B.C.
Saint Louis
1214-1270
Lycurgus
c. 900 B.C.
Solon
c. 638-599 B.C.
Gaius
c. 110-180
Papinian
c. 146-212
Justinian I
c. 483-565
Tribonian
c. 500-547
Maimonides
c. 1135-1204
Gregory IX
c. 1147-1241
Innocent III
1161-1216
Simon de Montfort
1200-1265
Alfonso X
1221-1284
Edward I
1239-1307
Suleiman
1494-1566
Hugo Grotius
1583-1645
Jean Baptiste Colbert
1619-1683
Robert Joseph Pothier
1699-1772
Sir William Blackstone
1723-1780
George Mason
1726-1792
Thomas Jefferson
1743-1826
Napoleon I
1769-1821
Note, the list is far from devoid of major religious figures, and includes a Jewish philosopher, as well as a couple of Popes. Hardly devoid of religion.
DS