Quote from TMTrader:
It was so obvious this thread would go on and on and on.... Wait for the after hours posters...![]()
Quote from TM_Direct:
you need a hug too????? Ok we will include you too....BTW, where is that evidence, I know you don't; actually have the evidence, but what was quoted in the book you read??? what was destroyed according to them that would have proved the tales of jesus' miracles were just that??
Quote from TMTrader:
It was in several researches, some of them conducted by very religious scholars. I will try to find out and pm you when/if I find it again. They never received too much attention since the researchers themselves did not want to confront the church which to this day is extremely powerful.
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Gotta tell you ...that's pretty lame....You tell me to read books and now you are quoting 'researchers' form an unknown origin, author and era...By the way, researchers will not have evidence...they will have opinions , but I thought it was only scientists who would use fact based on evidence??
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There are several books about these subjects. I did read some of them, since I used to be an ancient history buff. Now I hardly remember anything of that. In any case, these readings shaped much of my perception about religion. I don't have anything against having a religion or believing in god. The problem is that religion is full of lies and half truths. Religious leaders were never, in the history of monotheistic religion, true to their followers. I'm talking about the grand scheme not specifically to local religious leaders and their flock). The church in Rome systematically distorted truth and facts to fit into their frame of belief. You should do some readings about the history of the church (and not something written by the church itself). Do some critical thinking. Think outside the box. As I said before, I have noting against religion, I never said that I am a non believer myself, I do have my own beliefs.

Quote from TM_Direct:
Im disappointed in you TMT....Your backing off your statement ...At least Rock is consistent , but you waffled...you don;t know what evidence there is the Jesus did not preform his works...It sounds like you read opinions about the possible destruction of artifacts but once again i have to ask how an artifact will prove whether 5 loaves of bread fed 5ooo people? You read something and TOOK A LEAP OF FAITH that it was true.....see, you are more religious then you thought![]()
) as I do not intend to change yours. Quote from TMTrader:
TM_Direct,
If you want to make a serious research, look for testimonies about the destruction of evidence during the crusades to Jerusalem. It seems that the crusaders and the church in earlier times destroyed evidence proving that many of the Jesus tales were not correct.
TM Trader