John Templeton RIP

JSSPMK · Jul 8, 2008

Quote from gnome:

Ditto! Few ETers realize that the Gummint is working a plan to confiscate all it can from everybody, either directly or indirectly... it's "government at the expense of the people".

What esle would you expect when US national debt is at its highest? Wasn't Spain left bankrupt after European wars?

kickboxers · Jul 8, 2008

imo, both are not bogus.

PPT or plunge protection team is the circuit breaker or when market makers buy to stop a decline in price. the market cannot fall 10% in one day . daily limit range they can shut down the market if there was too many 'market' sell orders.

Quote from Bogan7:

Are we talking PPT or afterlife? Both are bogus BTW.

Barth Vader · Jul 8, 2008

Quote from tcm66:

It appears that Mr. Templeton was "a nice guy", but the fact that he dodged paying U.S. taxes on his lucrative sale of his company, by renouncing his U.S. citizenship, is unforgivable. Our country gave him the opportunity to succeed in his business, provided the infrastructure necessary to build a stable business, plus most of his customers were U.S. citizens, and the U.S. military provided his personal security in a rough world, etc. etc. The least he could have done was to pay his fair share of taxes, under the rules. I and most other decent Americans do, even though we may not like it. He had absolutely no excuse. It's a pattern that other extremely wealthy "made in the U.S.A." business people have followed, unfortunately. They all have no shame, no gratitude and no sense of responsibility.

With all due respect, your view of taxation and the utter disregard that "government" shows in squandering OUR money is troubling.

"...Our country gave him the opportunity to succeed in his business.............."

I would offer that rather than you, me or our dear "Uncle Sam" giving Sir T the opportunity to succeed, it was more likely his own wits and sweat.

Attached to the land by law ?? I think that was called serfdom.

" adscriptus glebae "

ShoeshineBoy · Jul 9, 2008

Quote from vhehn:

this is some of the kind of stuff he was funding. i would classify it as a waste of money.
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/04.06/05-prayer.html

Prayers don't help heart surgery patients
Some fare worse when prayed for
By William J. Cromie
Harvard News Office

Many - if not most - people believe that prayer will help you through a medical crisis such as heart bypass surgery. If a large group of people outside yourself, your family, and your friends add their prayers, that should be even more helpful, or so such reasoning goes.

Researchers have been trying to prove this and even to measure the effect of prayer. Since 1988, at least two studies have found that third-party prayers bestow benefits, but two others concluded that there are no benefits. These and other studies have been soundly criticized for flaws in both method and outcome. The fuzzy results goaded researchers to conduct the largest and most scientifically rigid investigation to date. It covered 1,802 people who underwent coronary bypass surgery at six different hospitals from Oklahoma City to Boston. The cost was $2.4 million, paid by the John Templeton Foundation and the Baptist Memorial Health Care Corporation of Memphis.

I remember one time that I and a few other people prayed for a boy (about seven) with a severe wheat allergy. He was healed that very night and ate pizza.

Now you can no more prove that that was a non-miracle than I can prove it a miracle. Some things will probably never be proven or disproven.

My point: let the man rest in peace. He was a nice guy who helped many people with his money...

Bogan7 · Jul 9, 2008

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

let the man rest in peace.

I always laugh when I hear the above statement. The guy is dead not standing next to you and is beyond caring. Unless that is you proscribe to the notion that the dead can

1) hear you
2) give a shit
3) Become less restful due to the above two.

I find it mad that in the US a Secular last time I looked) you have a better chance becoming Leader of the Free World if you are Black and gay then if you are an atheist. What sort of country do you have there?

BTW I have no problem with being black and gay

DHOHHI · Jul 9, 2008

Quote from vhehn:

this is some of the kind of stuff he was funding. i would classify it as a waste of money.
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/04.06/05-prayer.html

Seeing as how it is the John Templeton Foundation I believe he can, and had, influence over where the $$$ was allocated. If you knew the various areas they fund projects you'd know the above is one of many areas he gives money. Our government wastes a hell of a lot more money on a daily basis.

Free Thinker · Jul 9, 2008

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I remember one time that I and a few other people prayed for a boy (about seven) with a severe wheat allergy. He was healed that very night and ate pizza.

Now you can no more prove that that was a non-miracle than I can prove it a miracle. Some things will probably never be proven or disproven.

are you that deluded? walk into any childrens hospital and you dont need a study to know prayers dont work.

marketsurfer · Jul 9, 2008

Quote from vhehn:

are you that deluded? walk into any childrens hospital and you dont need a study to know prayers dont work.

what does your observation say about modern medicine, in general?

if it worked, would there be hospitals?

surf

Free Thinker · Jul 9, 2008

Quote from marketsurfer:

what does your observation say about modern medicine, in general?

if it worked, would there be hospitals?

surf

WELL, we observe people going into the hospital sick and coming out well so we must conclude it works.

ilikefox es · Jul 9, 2008

Quote from vhehn:

WELL, we observe people going into the hospital sick and coming out well so we must conclude it works.

you just got through telling us that hospitals are proof that prayer doesn't work.

you flip flop more than barry o