John McCain on Tax Cuts

[Gord]

Quote from oktiri:

I'm SUPER informed. There is no truth to your bullshit, get a clue.



The only "spending" he promised is Alternative energy and Infrastructure. Get your facts.

Universal Healthcare (Not a mandate, you and your cult members can opt out) will help US MFG corporations regain a competitive foothold.

You're repeating the right's talking points. There is no substance to your claims.

before we get to it, because I know what's really bugging you and why you vote GOP. I don't give a rat's ass about blacks or social welfare programs but i'm not going to let stupid insecure uneducated whites drag me and the country with them into the abyss.

Ahh ... the race card.

Chalk up another liberal admitting defeat...

 

[jonbig04]

Quote from Gord:

JFK, Reagan and Bush 43 illustrated that lowering taxes increases government revenue.

Obama is willing to let the Bush tax cuts expire and then he is going to add more increases of other taxes.

It is a question of the lesser of two evils. John McCain is certainly not perfect, but he is a damn sight better than Obama who wants to increase taxes and massively increase spending as a matter of policy. John McCain's policy will be to reduce both taxes and spending. This is what is needed for our floundering economy.

I respect you position on taxes, and if you go this thread: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141511 you will find a vigorous debate to that end. There is no easy answer and I dont want to clog this thread by starting debate here.

But about spending yes obama has promised spending, but so has mccain..if you dont think mccain has promised boat loads of new spending, you havent watched the debates. I named just a few examples in my last post, but I could go on...i mean to even have to say war in Iraq?? Our country needs money. We need it for our debt, bailouts and alternative energy and to pay for the Iraq war. Both candidates have promised increased spending. Im not sure why you think Obama would like to spend more than mccain, that seems particularly hard to prove. The fact that Obama wants to end the war alone would save us $10 billion a month.

So I ask you this, how is Obama going to spend more than mccain? How is mccain going to cut more spending than Obama? Its up for debate and no where near as cut and dry as you would have us believe.

 

[Gord]

Quote from seneca_roman:

Your answer is typical Republican crap of ducking a question and changing the subject when the answer is not what" true believers" think it should be.

Your comment still does not answer the question of what data do you use to answer whether the tax cuts helped hurt or were neutral.

You don't read so well do you? I said the economy grew - generally measured by GDP growth. And government revenues increased.

With all the economic data available, it should be easy, assuming the premise is true, to back up the claim the Bush tax cuts were better than leaving the rates alone.

The tax rates of the time led to a recession.

So you believe that tax increases are good for the economy?!?

 

[oktiri]

Quote from Gord:

JFK, Reagan and Bush 43 illustrated that lowering taxes increases government revenue.

Obama is willing to let the Bush tax cuts expire and then he is going to add more increases of other taxes.

It is a question of the lesser of two evils. John McCain is certainly not perfect, but he is a damn sight better than Obama who wants to increase taxes and massively increase spending as a matter of policy. John McCain's policy will be to reduce both taxes and spending. This is what is needed for our floundering economy.

Listen you guys,. I've been debating with these guys now for three days in countless threads. They're not very smart, do not respond to logic and do not understand macro-economic policy, are intellectually dishonest and do not own up to their mistakes.
They shout meaningless slogans "Tax cuts" are good" without a shred of understanding of fiscal policy. They're "taught" what to say every day by the right wing talk radio and their arguments run in circles.
They vote for the GOP for one single reason, social conformism. they feel at ease with fellow uneducated white scared of Blacks.
They're "concerned" about their money ending up in Black hands when in fact substantial amount of wealth in the form of running account deficit is transferred to Asia every day.

The thing is, demographic forces (fertility rates) already indicate a irreversible shift towards diversity. Bush was very smart about this in 200 when he enacted the big tent theme and attracted a substantial part of the Latino electorate. Having waged a (warranted) campaign to kick the illegal immigrants out, the Latinos left the party and are also falling into the trap of identity politics and regrouping in the democratic party.
Now feeling squeezed from all sides, the GOP scleroses even more into "their" party. Except they can't be a majority.........

Truly sad to watch

 

[Gord]

Quote from jonbig04:

I respect you position on taxes, and if you go this thread: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141511 you will find a vigorous debate to that end. There is no easy answer and I dont want to clog this thread by starting debate here.

But about spending yes obama has promised spending, but so has mccain..if you dont think mccain has promised boat loads of new spending, you havent watched the debates. I named just a few examples in my last post, but I could go on...i mean to even have to say war in Iraq?? Our country needs money. We need it for our debt, bailouts and alternative energy and to pay for the Iraq war. Both candidates have promised increased spending. Im not sure why you think Obama would like to spend more than mccain, that seems particularly hard to prove. The fact that Obama wants to end the war alone would save us $10 billion a month.

So I ask you this, how is Obama going to spend more than mccain? How is mccain going to cut more spending than Obama? Its up for debate and no where near as cut and dry as you would have us believe.

Which will be easier to hold to account to reduce spending? Obama who promises to increase spending? Or McCain who promises to reduce spending. As I said before, it is a question of the lesser of two evils...

 

[oktiri]

Quote from Gord:

Ahh ... the race card.

Chalk up another liberal admitting defeat...

Yes the "Race" card but not the want you imagine. the "Stupid white voting against its own interest" Card.
I'm neither Black nor White. Just watching an entire demographic ()Joe the plumber whites ) making vaginas out of themselves.

 

[jonbig04]

Quote from Gord:

Which will be easier to hold to account to reduce spending? Obama who promises to increase spending?

Where and HOW on earth do you come to that conclusion?