John Hopkins Study

[Same Lazy Element]

Is there an "add to sanity list button" at ET?

In fairness, sticking to facts is just a different kind of insanity It literally triggers me whenever someone pushes bullshit, regardless of the political lean. This said, I have been hearing lately that math/data has a liberal bias (to the point that someone told me that Bertrands ballot theorem was "bad math") .

2nd Wave UK ( Sheilders ) zero excess mortality so far and interestingly near Zero cases of standard Flu, 8% is about right on excess mortality from Wave 1, it ran below average for a few months after, expect next years deaths will be lower aswell.

It's gently over, if you believe the data and I, personally, have no reason to think the data is wrong. The discussion should be about what kinds of conclusions are we going to make based on this data and what policy decisions are we going to make based on these conclusions.

But I don't consider a 8% increase in deaths on the year, to be worth the level of damage done to all, 1mil extra people unemployeed in the UK so far, more to come, 400bil costs, schooling ruined for kids, grades estimated.

Ah, now are finally talking. The real question that we need to ponder is how proportional is the response to this pandemic. I am not gonna pretend to have the right answer because it's a complex decision. However, I definitely feel that some of these responses should have changed as we discovered more about the nature of enemy and who the vulnerable population is.

Unfortunately, the policy decision boils down to asymmetric costs to the decision stakeholders. In the current state, policymakers and decision-makers want to err on the side of caution at the cost of long-term consequences.

 

[Trader200K]

On Friday nights in the 50’s I remember sitting on the floor by my Dad’s chair watching Friday Night Fights. The boxers entered the ring, listened to the ref’s instructions and proceeded to spar and technically score as high as possible.

Sometimes it was very obvious who was the better fighter, other times I am sure it was difficult for the judges to decide the winner.

But one thing always stood out. At the end of the bout, the two fighters touched gloves and nodded in respect of each other’s diligent efforts without maligning or disparaging the other.

I remember as a thin, scrawny kid looking up in absolute awe to theses mens’ skills, strengths, blows taken and sportsmanship carried despite the pain. I wanted nothing more that to be like them. Humble in victory, gracious in defeat and both realizing how fortunate they were to be part of the bigger game together.

I wonder why today’s young men find little to be inspired about.

 

[Peter8519]

There is a parallel to this... market condition.
Covid or no covid.
Bull market or bear market.
Some are permanent bull and some are permanent bear.
Just remember once soak in the bull market in a long time, we are conditioned into it.
Bear market is just round the corner.

 

[DiceAreCast]

All the excess deaths can be blamed on covid complications of fat fucks, diabetics, people with preexisting conditions. Still they would be alive without covid. Simple as that.

2nd Wave UK ( Sheilders ) zero excess mortality so far and interestingly near Zero cases of standard Flu, 8% is about right on excess mortality from Wave 1, it ran below average for a few months after, expect next years deaths will be lower aswell. Most of the Extra Deaths are caused by the lockdown, ONS Study only 15K where actual proper Covid deaths so 45K where the result of the lockdowns and FEAR, people to scared to go to hospital incase they caught Covid, despite there dying of heart attack or stroke, that scared you won't ring 999 so just die at home, madness.


But I don't consider a 8% increase in deaths on the year, to be worth the level of damage done to all, 1mil extra people unemployeed in the UK so far, more to come, 400bil costs, schooling ruined for kids, grades estimated.

 

[Turveyd]

All the excess deaths can be blamed on covid complications of fat fucks, diabetics, people with preexisting conditions. Still they would be alive without covid. Simple as that.

Diabetic isn't a major factor like it's said to be, it's a lung condition so its only really COPD, Coke users, heavy smokers, asthmatics people with bad lung function.

90% of deaths where people which where terminal, they might of held on longer, Flu might of finished them off over the winter, which is why less Flu deaths currently are low and the covid deaths compensating bringing us back to average.

As I've said shield the at risk, let it burn out quickly, sadly they slowed the spread down enough still around when they dropped the shielders to early.

 

[DiceAreCast]

90% were terminal. That is some stuff pulled straight from your ass or out of the ass of one of your conspiracy brethren.

Diabetic isn't a major factor like it's said to be, it's a lung condition so its only really COPD, Coke users, heavy smokers, asthmatics people with bad lung function.

90% of deaths where people which where terminal, they might of held on longer, Flu might of finished them off over the winter, which is why less Flu deaths currently are low and the covid deaths compensating bringing us back to average.

As I've said shield the at risk, let it burn out quickly, sadly they slowed the spread down enough still around when they dropped the shielders to early.

 

[Turveyd]

90% were terminal. That is some stuff pulled straight from your ass or out of the ass of one of your conspiracy brethren.

Well we are all terminal, so not really, but no 90% of the UK Covid deaths had atleast 1 life threatening condition and average age 85 most where old as dirt.

The other 10% likely had a health issue without realising, or they died in a car crash while testing positive in the last 28days.

There putting as many deaths as they can down to Covid Related, ONS Study 6weeks back only 15K where proper covid deaths.

Friends work for care homes, I know of loads of deaths and they've put them down as Covid and the staff are saying it's BS, just normal OAP deaths.

 

[DiceAreCast]

Thanks at least for admitting that your earlier comments where taken out of thin air.

The rest is yada yada yada. I have friends, I know some people, I heard, I watched reports. Any circumstantial or empirical evidence is completely flawed as the number observations you heard or know of are miniscule compared to statistically meaningful sample size. Truth is deaths are up by a lot over prior years. You can't deny nor explain that away.

Well we are all terminal, so not really, but no 90% of the UK Covid deaths had atleast 1 life threatening condition and average age 85 most where old as dirt.

The other 10% likely had a health issue without realising, or they died in a car crash while testing positive in the last 28days.

There putting as many deaths as they can down to Covid Related, ONS Study 6weeks back only 15K where proper covid deaths.

Friends work for care homes, I know of loads of deaths and they've put them down as Covid and the staff are saying it's BS, just normal OAP deaths.

 

[Turveyd]

Thanks at least for admitting that your earlier comments where taken out of thin air.

The test is Yada Yada Yada. I have friends, I know some people, I heard, I watched reports. Any circumstantial or empirical evidence is completely flawed as the number observations you heard or know of are miniscule compared to statistically meaningful sample size. Truth is deaths are up by a lot over prior years. You can't deny nor explain that away.

So Yada Yada, your a PC brain washed lefties who's believed all the the fearmongering media and think we are all doomed, yada yada.

Although the deaths are 8% over 5 year average, there high of range not even above high of range, so actually it's a pretty typical bad year, not above, nothing compared to spanish flu, that year went crazy on the deaths / population scale.

Ended up being a nothing, not that you'll accept that.

2nd / Shielders wave is pretty much over, peak was 3 or 4 weeks ago infection wise, hospital admission dropping nicely, hospitals emptying aswell, deaths will come down soon.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

Check out the excel sheet daily admissions.

Peaked before lockdowns would of kicked in, 2 weeks before yet again.

How many of my friends / family / work mates / or any of there parents have died, hmmmm ZERO that's right ZERO, how many are jobless and poor 460 at last count.

 

[Sig]

Been observing the loss of economic value and freedom in our country intently. Actions by those in positions of govt and media power fill a broad spectrum from sensible to ludicrous.

One wise and pivotal point she makes...

“It is not the media’s job to police society or to make sure that everybody is interpreting news in a certain way. If we believe that people can make their own educated guess, then our only job is to tell the truth, no matter what effect it might have.”

If you see her words as reasonable, it is fair to ask why others controlling the media do not ... and what is the benefit to them in the long run for their significant investment of money and effort to review, screen and censor the mass of other peoples’ thoughts and ideas? Qui Bono?

The similarities in extreme lack-of-tolerance to Mao’s Red Guard of the Chinese Cultural Revolution come to mind. The new violence and destruction in 200 US cities undeniably is a foretaste of what this could grow into.

It took 50 years, but even the CCP now publicly admits the economic and human tragedy that their SJW cycle turned out to be.

BEIJING, May 17 (Xinhua) -- The Communist Party of China's (CPC) official newspaper has condemned the Cultural Revolution 50 years after it began, calling it "a mistake... that can not and will not be allowed to repeat itself."

China has learned its lessons from the decade of tumult between 1966 and 1976 and is now determined to avoid any social unrest that would disrupt national progress, according to the commentary in Tuesday's edition of the People's Daily.

"The Cultural Revolution was a major detour in the development path of the Party and the nation," it said.

Since introducing the reform and opening-up policy more than 30 years ago, "the nation has been growing stronger and stronger and people's living standards have been improved markedly," according to the commentary.

"The historical lessons from the the Cultural Revolution must be firmly kept in mind" in this context, it said.

"The Chinese people have never been so close to realizing the goal of the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation," it went on, urging the CPC and the public to "dispel all disturbances" to ensure the goal is achieved.

May 16 this year marked the 50th anniversary of the beginning of the Cultural Revolution.

-Lessons of Cultural Revolution must be learned: People's Daily.

I am curious if our present situation will have to run a similarly deadly and economically wasteful course?

It's a slap in the face to those who truly suffers in China's Cultural Revolution to compare their very real deaths by the millions and incalculable suffering to the "suffering" of an asshole who can no longer tell gay jokes to people with gay family members without them telling him he's an asshole. The only thing that's happened in the U.S. in the past decade that even begins to resemble the Cultural Revolution are the Patriot Act renewal and Trump's attempt to ban Twitter from pointing out when he lies, and those are but faint echos of the horrors of the actual Cultural Revolution. Which, by the way, came about as the result of a civil war, not "Actions by those in positions of govt and media power" in a still (despite Trump's best efforts) functioning democracy.