Joe Legal vs. Joe Illegal

Do you live in some alternate reality? Federal law requires every employer verify its employee's eligibility for work. That's why they as you to show your social securities card. The ones for [legal] aliens who aren't authorized to work (spouses of H1s, for example) will be a stamp on their social security card to that effect and will typically require additional proof (like a greencard, or whatever, if they got one since they got their social security).

Every company I've ever worked for has done this a part of the initial HR package. I can't see how California, as much as I detest that state, is different.

Or... maybe you are just talking out of your ass.

Quote from jficquette:

I agree. First time some employer here in California refuses to hire someone because they can't prove they are legal they will get hit with some racial discrimination suit.

Plus quite frankly, illegals work their asses off. I wouldn't have problems hiring illegals because they are willing to work.

The problems I have with them is they get here and have big families who all end up sponging off the social services system. Plus they vote illegally. Take away the illegal vote and voter fraud and Obama wouldn't even have been the nominee.

Hispanics ran off the white trash and blacks from the construction business years ago simply because they show up everyday and work like fiends. All whites wanted to do was smoke dope and argue and the blacks just wanted to listen to ghetto music and drink and do as little as possible. I know. I use to build houses. I wish I had illegals to draw from back in the mid 80's when I was in the business.

I say close the borders first. Then get rid of free health care and services for illegals then find some way to tax them.


John
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Quote from cgroupman:

I think it would be easier to verify a SS number/ID via simple computer check by employer, if they really wanted to. An employer paying under the table, is of course aware of what he's doing wrong.

Another point, is that a person using a bad SS number still has withholding/FICA/Medicare and all the rest taken out without a chance of getting a tax refund.

Look, guys, I'm not trying to defend the illegaility, just trying to get past some of what makes for the argument.

And, as was said, let's figure out a way to get them on the tax rolls, legally.



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Not a lot of withholding when you claim 12 dependents.
 
Quote from jficquette:

I got this in an email. I don't think too much about Illegals but maybe I should.

John




This sure does put the Illegal Alien problems in a clearer prospective.......



Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal



Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically productive..

You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have 2 parents, 2 children.

"Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted....

"Jose Illegal" also works in construction, has "NO" Social Security Number, and gets paid

$15.00 cash "under the table".

"Joe Legal"..$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year.

Now take 30% away for state federal tax Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

"Jose Illegal"..$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year.

Jose Illegal pays no taxes...Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage, $1000.00 per

month, $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $19,231.00


"Jose Illegal" has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local clinics

at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

"Joe Legal" makes too much money, is not eligible for Food Stamps or welfare.

Joe Legal pays for food, $1,000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year.

Joe Legal now has $ 7,231.00

"Jose Illegal" has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and

Welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

"Joe Legal" pays rent of $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year.

Joe Legal is now in the hole minus (-) $4,769.00

"Jose Illegal" receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy.

Jose Illegal pays rent, $500.00 per month $6,000.00 per year.

Jose Illegal still has $25,200.00

"Joe Legal" now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

"Jose Illegal "has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

"Joe Legal's" and "Jose Illegal's" children both attend the same school.

Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children

get a government sponsored lunch.

"Jose Illegal's" children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

"Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal" both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services,

but Joe paid for them and Jose did not.

Might be a good idea to see where your candidate (no matter what they are running for) stands on the issue of supporting illegal aliens before you cast your vote for

them in the next elections. This is not a Party thing, this is just standing up for

what's right and wrong....And it's going to be up to us, the voters, to straighten

it out.

Don't know about you, but I have paid enough for these deadbeat crooks.
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I highly doubt the Illegal will get all these benefits you are attributing to them. The biggest problem, is that legitimate construction company owners cannot compete with the illegals. In roofing, with high W.C, for legal workers, it is impossible. Jacklegs (illegal companies) can quote a prcie for a roof, siding or other things, that is often less than a legal construction owner's COST. And the local governments/code enforcement do little to enforce the rules in many places.

I have a new suggested rule. ANYONE KNOWINGLY HIRING ILLEGAL ALIENS WILL LOSE THEIR US CITIZENSHIP/PERM RESIDENCE!!!!!
 
No go, big guy - revoking citizenship requires an act of congress;

Quote from TraderZones:


I have a new suggested rule. ANYONE KNOWINGLY HIRING ILLEGAL ALIENS WILL LOSE THEIR US CITIZENSHIP/PERM RESIDENCE!!!!!
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No go, big guy - revoking citizenship requires an act of congress;
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Then get it in the law. It has been long enough that people who pay their taxes and follow the law get stabbed in the back.

We wouldn't have the problem of illegal immigrants and the attraction to them, if companies stopped looking the other way to get a competitive edge.

But if they could lose their citizenship, it would make a lot of people think twice. Maybe they can go to North Korea and get citizenship.
 
When Reagan was President there wasn't 13 million illegals in the U.S., now was there? At the time, his plan of amnesty and border protection would have nipped the problem in the bud.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18399

Illegal immigration peaked in 1996-under Clinton.

You can spin the bullshit anyways you want but it's a preponderance of Democrat's who're soft on illegal immigration for political gain. The only reason the Southwest and Mountain West are even hinted in play for the Dems is because of the Mexican vote.

Quote from cgroupman:

So, perhaps you're suggesting the Ronald Reagan plan of taking the illegal out of illegal alien with amnesty. Might be a good idea since they are supposedly taking American jobs anyway. Make them Americans, all good again? I'm sure they would be glad to pay taxes.




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You still don't understand - revoking a person's citizenship requires an unique private act of congress; you can't make a law that makes the punishment (effectively) exile. Quit talking out of your ass.

Quote from TraderZones:

Then get it in the law. It has been long enough that people who pay their taxes and follow the law get stabbed in the back.

We wouldn't have the problem of illegal immigrants and the attraction to them, if companies stopped looking the other way to get a competitive edge.

But if they could lose their citizenship, it would make a lot of people think twice. Maybe they can go to North Korea and get citizenship.
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Stiff fines would do it.

It amazes me that we can't get the political will together to man our own borders. One researcher investigated the situation and concluded that MS13 was in charge... the US turns control of it's borders over to a drug dealing gang, way to go liberals, I'll be applauding your efforts here some day.. just wait and see... oh yeah...
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

When Reagan was President there wasn't 13 million illegals in the U.S., now was there? At the time, his plan of amnesty and border protection would have nipped the problem in the bud.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18399

Illegal immigration peaked in 1996-under Clinton.

You can spin the bullshit anyways you want but it's a preponderance of Democrat's who're soft on illegal immigration for political gain. The only reason the Southwest and Mountain West are even hinted in play for the Dems is because of the Mexican vote.
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I think the illegals coming here is a result of a demand for workers that wasn't filled by our work force and of poor economic conditions in Mexico, not to boost the democrats voting base.
The Mexicans I've known didn't come here to vote democrat, hell I've never heard any of them talk politics. The subs I use are from Mexico, they pay taxes, buy property etc. I've been around these guys for a couple of decades and not once have I heard any of them speak of politics, not once.
 
Quote from Eight:

Stiff fines would do it.

It amazes me that we can't get the political will together to man our own borders. One researcher investigated the situation and concluded that MS13 was in charge... the US turns control of it's borders over to a drug dealing gang, way to go liberals, I'll be applauding your efforts here some day.. just wait and see... oh yeah...
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Its because they want the votes of the illegals plus the kids of theirs that are old enough to vote.

Anchor voters.

John
 
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