Joe Biden f*cked up in his VP pick.

Most of the posters in Politics are at one political "extreme" (left or right). Very few are in the middle 40% of unaffiliated voters.

These unaffiliated voters are the individuals who swing an election --- especially in battleground purple states.

The 2016 election was truly trying to select the less evil of two very bad candidates - Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Both were viewed as corrupt with a lot of baggage.

The 2020 election is different - most unaffiliated voters don't view Joe Biden / Kamala Harris as "bad" candidates. Neither carries baggage where they would be viewed as corrupt Democrats like Hillary Clinton. Right-wingers can push the Joe Biden / Ukraine narrative but it is not sticking with the middle 40% of voters.

The situation in 2020 is very different than 2016 to the middle 40% of unaffiliated voters; they are not choosing between two horrible candidates -- they are now picking between a horrible candidate (Trump) and a candidate (Biden) that they have limited enthusiasm about but is not viewed as corrupt.
 
gwb-trading said:
Most of the posters in Politics are at one political "extreme" (left or right). Very few are in the middle 40% of unaffiliated voters.

These unaffiliated voters are the individuals who swing an election --- especially in battleground purple states.

The 2016 election was truly trying to select the less evil of two very bad candidates - Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Both were viewed as corrupt with a lot of baggage.

The 2020 election is different - most unaffiliated voters don't view Joe Biden / Kamala Harris as "bad" candidates. Neither carries baggage where they would be viewed as corrupt Democrats like Hillary Clinton. Right-wingers can push the Joe Biden / Ukraine narrative but it is not sticking with the middle 40% of voters.

The situation in 2020 is very different than 2016 to the middle 40% of unaffiliated voters; they are not choosing between two horrible candidates -- they are now picking between a horrible candidate (Trump) and a candidate (Biden) that they have limited enthusiasm about but is not viewed as corrupt.
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Biden's senility is the elephant in the room though- even for or especially for dems. I am not saying that is the decisive factor but it is factor when comparing 2016 to 2020. And yes I know that there is or will be the argument that he has Kamala as his Visiting Angel to assist him now but that still signals a messy time ahead for many swing voters.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
Yeh sure, the dem loser-fest collapsed and they settled on Joe.

"more unified and motivated than 2008"

Okay fine. While you are on your little high today, just come right out and say that Joe is a better pick and candidate than Barack Obama was.

Because everyone - especially dems- are believing that. OR NOT.

You are clearly giddy over this Kamala thing. Have your little fun for a couple weeks. We do understand that watching Joe in hiding in the basement for months has not offered you much to react to.
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After 2018, you think the Democrats have no teeth? After Covid-19, you think Trump is, er, unimpeachable?

The market sure is happy today, a seemingly positive reaction in favor of Trump, if related to Biden’s pick.

Still, Kamala will enviscerate the Trump Administration over Covid-19.

No reason to get comfortable.
 
Some people are so lost in TDS translation, they couldn't see reality if it then hard in their obtuse head.

Hillary was a better candidate than Biden comparing them as candidates. Let's take -10 points from Biden for that.

Trump was a nobody politically, without a track record and was a 'misogynist, racist, son of the devil', previous liberal, etc... Now Trump has a track record and a record of following through on his promises. That gives him a +15 or +20 point difference from 2016.

You guys can do the math. Trump will win in November.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
Yeh sure, the dem loser-fest collapsed and they settled on Joe.

"more unified and motivated than 2008"

Okay fine. While you are on your little high today, just come right out and say that Joe is a better pick and candidate than Barack Obama was.

Because everyone - especially dems- are believing that. OR NOT.

You are clearly giddy over this Kamala thing. Have your little fun for a couple weeks. We do understand that watching Joe in hiding in the basement for months has not offered you much to react to.
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Youre just mad because the narrative you’re trying to peddle doesn’t jibe with reality.

I don’t know if two weeks will give us a good idea of where the race is now that the tickets are settled (assuming Trump doesn’t dump Pence). Now we are moving through the conventions. And it’s going to be interesting because it’s not a pro forma season. What each party can get out and rebut in this landscape can actually make a difference.

This next couple of weeks will show which campaign can perform better in a semi shut down America. That’s what I will be looking for over the next couple of weeks at least.
 
It's been amusing to watch over the past 18 hours how the Democrats and their favorite media sources have been working really hard to portray Kamala as a moderate.

You would thing that they would have been working to position her as a progressive (Green climate change, reparations, defund the police, medicare for call, etc.) to pull-in the progressives to vote Democratic.

Instead the Democratic party has made the decision that the progressive vote is assumed and pandering to them does not matter --- they need to attract the unaffiliated voters in the middle.
 
UsualName said:
Youre just mad because the narrative you’re trying to peddle doesn’t jibe with reality.

I don’t know if two weeks will give us a good idea of where the race is now that the tickets are settled (assuming Trump doesn’t dump Pence). Now we are moving through the conventions. And it’s going to be interesting because it’s not a pro forma season. What each party can get out and rebut in this landscape can actually make a difference.

This next couple of weeks will show which campaign can perform better in a semi shut down America. That’s what I will be looking for over the next couple of weeks at least.
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Republicans always gain after conventions and up to the election. Kamala Harris got 2 percent of The Black Vote in the primary and 2 percent of voters overall. The ticket is in huge trouble.
 
BeautifulStranger said:
After 2018, you think the Democrats have no teeth? After Covid-19, you think Trump is, er, unimpeachable?

The market sure is happy today, a seemingly positive reaction in favor of Trump, if related to Biden’s pick.

Still, Kamala will enviscerate the Trump Administration over Covid-19.

No reason to get comfortable.
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UsualName said:
Youre just mad because the narrative you’re trying to peddle doesn’t jibe with reality.

I don’t know if two weeks will give us a good idea of where the race is now that the tickets are settled (assuming Trump doesn’t dump Pence). Now we are moving through the conventions. And it’s going to be interesting because it’s not a pro forma season. What each party can get out and rebut in this landscape can actually make a difference.

This next couple of weeks will show which campaign can perform better in a semi shut down America. That’s what I will be looking for over the next couple of weeks at least.
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Yes.

If you want to argue that both Joe and Kamala are lousy candidates out on the trail but they may benefit from a campaign format that does not require/allow viewers to see them for real then that is a valid point of which I have always been aware.

But it is vastly different than trying to argue their past "successes" out on the trail that allegedly would be future indicators of success. No. Their best shot is the the future campaigning landscape does not look like the past.

Look. Kamala was driven out of the campaign VERY, VERY early. Last week of Nov or first couple days of Dec. She checks all the boxes, she is allegedly charismatic but in the end she did not get many votes and did not deliver. If you want to argue that maybe she can do better in a different format, well yeh, the traditional one did not work.
 
Dr. Love said:
Some people are so lost in TDS translation, they couldn't see reality if it then hard in their obtuse head.

Hillary was a better candidate than Biden comparing them as candidates. Let's take -10 points from Biden for that.

Trump was a nobody politically, without a track record and was a 'misogynist, racist, son of the devil', previous liberal, etc... Now Trump has a track record and a record of following through on his promises. That gives him a +15 or +20 point difference from 2016.

You guys can do the math. Trump will win in November.
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The math? You mean the “New” math?

The polls and betting odds favor the non incumbent now. Think about that for a while. Trump’s favorability ratings are down. Direction of country is down. Consumer sentiment is down. My point is Republicans have a fight on their hands and don’t seem to know it.

You might want to enter the above into your calculations.
 
Brilliant choice by the way to pick a VP candidate from a state that Idiot Dems won overwhelmingly in 2016. Besides being a "5", she adds nothing to the ticket except being able to complete sentences.
 
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