"JEWS KILLED THE LORD JESUS"

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Quote from BernardRichards:

How is it possible to kill a ghost Mercor?

Jesus never existed!

He was just a figment of Paul's imagination. (See Did A Historical Jesus Exist? http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm)

This is a truism. Jesus never existed. However, his existence in time/history is equally as true or not true as your own personhood. The fact is, you, as a person, do not exist. Personhood is a figment of your imagination, you, the mistaken Son of God. Paul's was a compounded figment of imagination, which resists a correct interpretation of the symbolism that Jesus personified in parable and parody. Jesus is a symbol that points to the truth. The symbol is not the truth. One must go beyond the symbol to arrive at the truth. Jesus went beyond the symbol(s) to know himself as the truth. The truth is, flesh does not exist...not in truth. Flesh exists off of truth like a parasite exists off it's host. The truth is "broken" that "man" may "live". The "one loaf" is broken for the "many". Get it? This is a converse relationship. Where man appears to be true, the truth is obliterated, mocked, bled and killed. In this way, man lives off the blood of Christ. This describes a kind of psychic vampirism which can only thrive in the dark [in confusion]. Therefore, confusion is necessary for man's existence.

Jesus

 

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Quote from BernardRichards:

Paradoxes would be fine in the Gospels, but countless outright contradictions are indicative of a false belief system.

This is a truism. There are indeed contradictions, in addition to parodoxes, which make for not a little confusion. Confusion supports the existence of man, which is what the NT supports by attempting to combine God with man, or to save man and take him to heaven. But you can't take man to heaven any more than you can take your money to heaven. Man and heaven don't mix. The NT writers supported false belief systems because the desire to hold on to personhood, albeit in glorified fashion, tempted them to resist the oneness of the truth, in which there are no differences, no limits, no heirarchies, and therefore no need for bodies, glorified or not. For this reason, the writers, generally, did not understand what is being saved, and how it is being saved. What is being saved is the mind of the Son of God from self-inflicted insanity arising from the denial of Christ. The denial of Christ is the denial of Reality, which leaves, by default, insanity and it's insane product: man. The choice is between "sin" and sane. Sin is a synonym for insanity. Nothing in insanity is true, therefore, "sin" is not true. In this way, all are absolved of "sin", making all sinless in truth...in Christ...in Reality.

Jesus

 

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Quote from Gringinho:

The bible, talmud, koran are all full of senseless contradictions - that is why it is called a "leap of faith" away from reason itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_of_faith

This is also how they create the systemic mechanism of "sins" - since there is no way to stay "on the course" - there simply is no expressive "golden mean" or "middle path" in the religious texts. In this lies the fluctuation and open subjective interpretation between "good and evil" - which again leads to the power of the priesthood which can "guide the people."

This is a truism. Such books would make "sin" the truth, and the truth a "sin". By reversing cause and effect, sin is made to sound sane, and sanity is made to sound insane. In such cultures, one could state the truth, and be condemned for "blasphemy". Rather, the creation of this world is the "sin" of "blasphemy", since it mocks God's true creation and reduces it to a rediculous parody of creation, while masquerading as creation itself.

In the interest of reordering cause and effect, insanity is what gives rise to a world full of such books. The books are the effect of sin, which support sin, and even worship sin's maker. Sin would reduce the Son of God to a "guilty" son of a bitch. To sin, innocence is sin, a kind of blasphemy. To sin, heaping sin upon your shoulders is a kind of salvation, as if guilt could somehow protect you and cause wrath to pass over your abode. This is exactly backwards. Only innocence can protect you. Innocence is the truth, which is denied by sin, which gives rise to insane cultures of death.

Jesus

 

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Quote from yoohoo:

"In regards to the Jewish guilt concerning the crucifixion, the United Pentecostal Church International believes that all of humanity was complicit in His crucifixion," continued the statement by Hale. "According to our belief, neither the Jews nor the Romans had the power to kill Jesus, but Jesus, by His own admission, laid down His own life for the salvation of all humankind."
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...421/detail.html

This is a truism, but not at all understood by the United Pentecostal Church International. If you are appearing as a human, you are complicit in the crucifixion of Christ, which is the same as to mangle the truth. By his very appearance, man mangles the truth. As a rule of thumb, if his lips are moving, man is lying. You cannot have appeared to be a man unless you were complicit in mangling the truth in which there is no such thing as man. Man appears as the truth disappears, like a sun/moon converse relationship. The moon appears only in the dark, and is dispelled as the light dawns.

True enough, the Son of God cannot be affected by anything outside his own mind. Only as his mind turns against itself [goes out of its mind] does it appear that death can kill the truth. This can only appear to happen as a hypothetical story. Such is the entire world from beginning to end: a hypothetical story made to seem real instead of Reality itself. Get it? In this way the Son of God lays down his own "life", and by the same power is able to raise himself from the "dead". This is the same as to say that it is the same power that denies or accepts Self. Denial is by faith. Acceptance is also by faith. Either way, it is power used for or against Christ...our Self. Can Christ's mind turn against itself? My resurrection says NO! This means that none are guilty because what appears to be real is actually a hypothetically constructed series of unfortunate concepts in imagination...none of which make any difference to the truth of reality, which is Life itself.

Jesus

 

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Quote from fhl:

Speaking of His life, Jesus said:

John 10:18

King James Bible

"No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."


fact-The roman soldiers could not have killed Jesus unless Jesus and the Father willed it.

fact- yes, Jesus blood is on the Jews, just as it is on every living persons hands.

The idiocy you see written on this subject on threads like these is astonishing.

This is a truism. But you still want understanding. The parables I told I recieved from the Holy Spirit, who speaks for our Father in this world. This is a parable: ""No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. " This parable is converted to a parody when "the Truth" submits to be mangled of its own power. This describes the true genesis of this world, as it differs significantly from the hyped up propaganda put forth by culturally traditional genesis myths.

It was not our Father's will that his Son mangle himself. This means that this "universe" is not our Father's will, because it mocks his Son. It was the will of the Holy Spirit, and therefore my will, to expose the fallacious genesis of "the world", by teaching through parody. The death of the Son of God is meaningless. The resurrection shows just how meaningless death really is. The world is a place of death, so it is meaningless also. Death does not exist, for any reason whatsoever, in the Kingdom of God, the true home of the Son. The resurrection establishes life as the truth, even in a world of death. In this way, the resurrection serves the atonement, which gathers the broken pieces of the Son of God back together through the truth.

Jesus

 

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Quote from KavonTrebor:

of course, the bible is always right as it seems to be political in taking all sides of an issue:

. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

You are adroit to discern contradictions and expose them to the light. Such is the honest endeavor of the truly religious student of truth. The world is an attempt, in the mind of the prodigal Son of God, to combine both Good and Evil into one. This is a contradiction which serves to replace Good with a kind of meaningless antithesis. Out of this meaningless antithesis arises books that contradict themselves, and which serve to replace communion [true communication] with words, and then make contradictory words the "word of God". Such words, when converted to words that point to truth become the words of the Holy Spirit, who speaks for God in a world in which words, speaking and voices are not the truth.

Words are concepts in the mind of the errant Son of God which are designed to mangle the truth by blocking communication [communion] between the mind and itself. They are useful only when converted to point to truth. When words mangle the truth, a pitiful book can seem to take the place of reality, and subvert it with a rediculous parody. In fact, it is reality which cannot be added to or taken away from. And if you try to add to reality or take anything away from it, you end up with what is called "the universe", or what I call "the world". It is a joke that in such a fallacious world, a book somehow takes on the attributes of reality, usurping reality with its own pitiable mockery of truth. From "genesis" to "revelations" such is the bible, which encourages the Son of God - all readers - to be liable to guilt instead of innocence. Interpreted correctly, the sting of death that such books promote can be neutralized. They must be interpreted in terms of the truth of oneness instead. When they are interpreted in light of oneness instead of the false "law" of separation, they can be converted to restore life, instead of perpetuate the concepts of separation, pain, suffering and death.

Jesus

 

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Quote from vhehn:

if the bible story is to be believed are not judas and whomever killed jesus the heros in the story? without them the story could not play out.

This is a truism. Jesus, like any and all characters in the hypothetical drama that makes up the world, is a self-concept. A self-concept relies on the various players in the play to establish it's character. Without the "bad", you cannot have the "good". Such appearances decieve. The bad are not bad, and the good are not good. They are all symbolic. These symbols express the attempt, in the mind of the mistaken Son of God, to combine both good and evil into one thing, one idea, one world, one being, one self-concept, one forum, one thread, one alias. Such a world is entirely false. The Good exists unopposed, despite conflicting self-concepts. When the desire for a self-concept "dies", the Good is what it is...only Life. All self-concepts are temporary, and so they die. They are not really wanted by the Self, except as a passing fancy, in theory, hypothetically speaking. So they must "die" one way or another. When they are deliberately put away like children's toys, Life defaults to Itself, and lives, eternally. Otherwise, they are put away as part of a game that makes death "real", instead of life.

Jesus

 

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Quote from Fractals 'R Us:

Jesus canceled the Aaronic priesthood,

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Anyhow, enjoy Halloween, I'm on doorbell duty here....

This is a truism. I cancelled the Aaronic priesthood because I cancelled the bible, cancelled the "law" of separation, and while I was at it I cancelled the world. They are all related. Cancellation is a state-of-mind which I accepted and shared. Now it is your turn to cancel what is not true by accepting the truth. The Aaronic priesthood perpetuates sacrifice as salvation. Such is the world...a kind of sacrifice of the Son of God which believes, moronically, that sacrifice is salvation. That is cancelled by the truth which establishes abundance as salvation. Abundance is the inheritance of the Son of God, which is the totality of everything. The denial of Self introduces the concept of scarcity and sacrifice. The world arises when the truth is sacrificed for lies, and the world turns on continual - daily - sacrifice of the truth. In such a world, it's halloween all year round. Everyone and everything is a mask ["veil"] over the face of Christ. The mask suggests that Christ is guilty. The truth suggests otherwise. The truth IS otherwise. Truth cancels the concept of guilt and its perveyors. Guilt is a trick. Innocence is a treat. What do you choose? Trick or treat? True happiness cancels Halloween. To "be as little children" is to readily exchange self-concepts until the Self is unmasked by seeing the masks as childrens games.



Jesus

 

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Quote from LodeRunner:

This is nonsensical. It has grains of truth in it... Paul's-invention theory is certainly worthy of attention (though there are more intriguing theories, like Jesus existed but Paul was the only one running around claiming he was the messiah... that PAUL was the one who betrayed Jesus, not Judas, because Paul turned a noble human being into an intangible and unknowable god), but contradictions don't prove or even imply that a historical Jesus didn't exist.

Contradictions imply that the source material is, to some degree, unreliable. That's it. You can't actually *prove* such a negative. Certainly, you can say that the evidence of a historical Jesus is weaker but anything beyond that is rampant speculation. Any number of historical figures could have easily been invented. Very, very few reliable written records exist if you go back a few hundred years BCE.

Christianity was and still is a heretical branch of Judaism. You can say it was all based on a lie or not, but the point is moot, because Jesus-the-man didn't do anything worth noting. Jesus-the-son-of-god changed the world.

There are truisms here...grains of truth. Jesus-the-man layed aside the concept of manhood [son of man], and took up the truth of Selfhood [Son of God]. That is noteworthy. It is the desire for personhood that is allowed to "die" in such an exchange. Personhood is the world of differences, appearances, heirarchies, inequalities, injustices...all of which proceed from the desire to be special. Jesus-the-man is special. Jesus-the-Son of God is the same as everyone else. This thought will change the world, as leaven changes a loaf of bread from flat to round. In time, this truth is still in process of changing the world. Very few really get it, and those that do don't necessarily accept it yet. They will, as will all. Oneness will eventually prevail over the separation that specialness requires as pre-requisite. Separation and the cultures of special self-concepts that grow from it like magic mushrooms on cowdung...will not prevail against the oneness of the Son of God. It is specialness that makes hell what it is. Everyone wants his mask to be special on Halloween, and masks are fun, until you get sick on the candy.

Paul's invention betrays the Son of God...to the extent that the Son of God can be betrayed. Paul makes Christ special. And this betrays a lingering desire to be special himself. In this way, he betrays his Self, as do those who believe his interpretation of historical events. Paul repackages Judaism, incorporating the leaven of the Pharisees into a composite theology. Once again, special self-concepts depend on the confusing combination of mixing true with false, rendering both meaningless. Such combinations tend to mock the truth, and mangle it beyond recognition. The world begins as an attack on God. Let us not be surprised that the Gospel is under attack by those who portend to protect it. Despite the attack, the truth will live again.

Jesus

 

[MadBulgarian]

For those of you who are familiar with Jehovah Witnesse's

What is your opinion on thier interpretation of the bible?